Originally posted by khruschev
Ok, you say Fidel Castro brought poverty, and dictarship to his own people, but American government and their presidents, have brought poverty and dictorship to many other countries... USA has invaded Afganistan, but I still don't see Osama ben Laden caught, but I do see everyday civillian casualties. In Iraq, I don't see any WMD found but I do see oil being exported to the USA, and I do see people die everyday, and I do see that there is no peace, no law, and no order... Same goes for Kosovo and Metohija province in Yugoslavia (now called Serbia and Montenegro)... Albanian terrorist forces (KLA) have been fully backed by the US Army, Yugoslavia was bombed, many civillians died,...........
That tells enough on American democracy... At the same time, we do have poor, and unhappy people in Cuba, but still peace, law and order are maintained...
First off....the US did not invade Afghanistan to stay over there like Russia did back from 1978-1988....until with the help of the US, China and Saudi Arabia, the Russian forces were defeated... in that war the Russians killed over 1 million Afghans, and 5 million became refugees in other countries, while 15,000 Russian soldiers died and 37,000 were wounded... in this conflict, it was the Russians who killed all the Afghans, because the Afghans were united, forgetting their differences, to fight against the Russians....
Second, it is a known fact that it has been the policy of almost every country in the world to use "the enemy of my enemy as my friend" if they had to fight a "common" enemy. This fact remains true even today, so you will see double crossings and countries using others to fight against their enemies and then even being betrayed by those which were supposedly allies.
(Added comment)---------------In the case of the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden, this is exactly what they did, together with other groups who decided to fight the west after their war with the U.S.S.R. ended, Osama expressed this in an interview back in 1995 or 1997...hat he was already thinking on attacking the west, including the US, back when we were helping him get rid of the Russian invasion...
Third, in the peaceful process that Clinton wanted for Iraq in the 90s, and with the agreement and help of the UN, there were sanctions on Iraq which killed over 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of 5....and that was supposedly through a peaceful process....
Fourth, this time around radical Muslims are killing as many or more of their own people than the coallition is doing...yes there are many casualties from Muslim moderates and coalition forces because of the insurgents, but it is also true that coalition fire have killed civilians by mistake.
Fifth, they just had the first free elections ever conducted in Afghanistan......
Sixth, the Taliban does not control Afghanistan anymore, and althou we haven't captured Osama yet, he is on the run and we have captured many of his high ranking officers, and we stopped Iraq from providing safe heaven and a training place to Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.
About the WMD issue, i expect we will find more about the oil-for-food scandal and wmd, as i discovered and gave evidence in another post that the UNMOVIC commission, which said that Saddam did not have wmd althou he did have banned weapons and documents for every wmd program, was being paid off directly from the oil-for-food program.
I do expect more will come forward about this, and I am sure the wmd issue has not ended yet.
Also...if it was oil all we cared for, it would have been cheaper and more profitable if we would have just kept buying oil from Iraq like we did before the war....
Kosovo was a different matter...it was Clinton who decided to send troops over there, a democratic president who went with no allies and with no true reason to go there and use the US military to help the U.S.S.R....i mean Russian government..... It was also under the Clinton administration that we mistakenly... bombed the Chinese embassy which helped give Clinton a reason to ease "his" relations, and sell military secrets to China as well as diminish greatly the funding, and downsizing our military and intelligence branches allowing other military secrets to be stolen by Chinese spies in a level never seen before.
About Cuba....if you call peace, law and order that people over there go without food for weeks, and hundreds of thousands or more have died, and hundreds keep dying trying to leave the country by risking the Atlantic sea in home made boats...and they cannot really express in public their true opinion about the Cuban regime and Castro, unless they want to get jailed and dissapear, or harassed, fired from their jobs, and with no way to get another job if they speak against the government... is that a peaceful country to you? really?....
[edit on 21-10-2004 by Muaddib]
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