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A Question to All Active-Duty Military: Would You Fire on American Citizens?

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Well, POLICE do it all the time...




posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by NysgjerrigDame
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I believe your countrymen would. If they were told that the people were evil communists or socialists, they would. Although, the USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc... are and have been state capitalists. They will follow whatever lie is currently being told. The very fact that they volunteered for your armed services implies that they are sheep.


Members of the armed forced are required by law to follow LAWFUL orders. UNLAWFUL ORDERS are not to be followed by any authority figure from the lowest ranking NCO (that's a Non-Commissioned officer, a copral or sergeant) up to the highest held office of the armed forces.

Why do people join the military? The same reason people get jobs. They like the job. They like money. The job brings them satisfaction, pride, status. Unless, of course, you have no idea what it's like to work.

And you get the prize for most ignorant statement of the year.

They will follow whatever lie is currently being told.

This is 90% of the world.

The very fact that they volunteered for your armed services implies that they are sheep.

Wikipedia US Military

As of 30 September 2010, 1,430,895 people were on active duty[24] in the military

This number represents one half of one percent of the US population(.5%). Doesn't seem a popular thing to do. I thought sheep just did what everyone else does.

edit on 20-11-2012 by Raulken because: Statement Clarification with sources.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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www.onamove.com...

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est Philadelphia. On May 13, 1985, after months of complaints by neighbors that MOVE members were broadcasting political messages by bullhorn at all hours and also about the health hazards created from piles of compost, as well as indictments of various MOVE members for various crimes, including parole violation, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats[8] the police department attempted to clear the building and arrest the indicted MOVE members, which led to an armed standoff with police.[9] The police lobbed tear gas canisters at the building and the fire department battered on the roof of the house with two water cannons. MOVE members fired at the police, and the police returned fire with semiautomatic weapons.[10] The house was heavily fortified with old telephone poles lining the interior walls and a bunker was built on the roof. A police helicopter then dropped a four-pound bomb made of C-4 plastic explosive and Tovex, a dynamite substitute, onto the roof of the house to clear the bunker so that police would not be injured. The resulting explosion caused incendiary materials listed in the police indictment, and stored by MOVE in the house, to catch fire, therefore causing the house itself to catch on fire. The resulting fire ignited a massive blaze which eventually destroyed 65 houses nearby.[2][11][12] Eleven people, including John Africa, five other adults and five children, died in the resulting fire.[13] The firefighters were stopped from putting out the fire based on allegations that firefighters were being shot at, a claim that was contested by the lone adult survivor Ramona Africa, who says that the firefighters had earlier battered the house with two deluge pumps when there was no fire.[11] Ramona Africa and one child, Birdie Africa, were the only two survivors. Police shot at those trying to escape the house[14] and acknowledge firing over 10,000 rounds.[15]


No one from the city government was charged criminally.

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edit on 20-11-2012 by FlyingFox because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Salander
reply to post by TDawgRex
 


Posse Comitatus was effectively suspended during the days of the Reagan War On Drugs. And Weinberg his SecDef, objected to trivializing our military. Objection overruled.

The Delta Force was brought in at Waco. Posse Comitatus irrelevant. Objection overruled.

US troops fired on their fellow soldiers of the old Brown Shoe Army protest back in the 1920's.

Kent State. Ezekiel Hernandez.

Yes, US troops will fire on US citizens.


The last two are provable.

But the first two. Can you give me a source?



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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When a person enlists into the military, they are given an oath to swear by and that oath states: (source)

Enlisted Oath

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).


Officer Oath

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)


Note - Defend the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic

Folks if you are in the way, you WILL die.

Someone mentioned about Lawful and Unlawful orders. If the President of the United States gives an order to fire on the citizens of the US, that is now a Lawful order in the eyes of the military. No questions asked.

Yes, that order can be fought in a court room as war crimes at a later date, but in the heat of battle, that order to fire is valid.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by NysgjerrigDame
The very fact that they volunteered for your armed services implies that they are sheep.


I don't think I have read a less informed opinion about the nature of and the reasons people choose military service in a long time.

While there are a strict set of rules and a hierarchy of command and authority in military service - I hardly think categorizing a nitch profession chosen by less than .5 percent of the nation as a profession of "sheeple".

If anything it is more aptly labeled a profession for sheep dogs (protectors) jin the case of enlisted members and that of a Shepard for their leaders and officers who are the very antithesis of "sheeple" or even followers in general.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Sublimecraft
reply to post by rockintitz
 


They will not be "US Citizens" - they will be "Terrorists".

Take the chip - or be labelled a "Terrorist".

All terrorists must be killed.

Then the sheeple will live happily ever after.

Hope that answers your question.


That is so true, i can see a platoon commander telling a parade that the people you are about to engage, are NOT american citizens but have been designated "Enemy Combatants" by vitrue of a presidential order.





posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by NysgjerrigDame
The very fact that they volunteered for your armed services implies that they are sheep.


I don't think I have read a less informed opinion about the nature of and the reasons people choose military service in a long time.


Guess how many people I've met that joined the armed forces because they couldn't fathom another way to afford a college level education? More than 75%. So why is getting money for college worth more than the lives of the brown people overseas who will be directly affected by our military's action? What about all the people that have been brainwashed into believed they are "protecting freedom" by joining up? How a person can claim to protect freedom while killing or incarcerating people that never did anything to them is beyond me and I suspect all logic as well.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Seriously people the troops that get ordered to fire upon any innocents, be they american or other,
Should simply shoot their OFFICERS INSTEAD......
Thats whats so great about the origonal Continental Army of these here united states....Ole George Washington had a helluva time commanding them.....



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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You need to educate yourself before you come out here making wild claims about something you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. And even though you have never laced up a pair of boots, you can still learn what the military does besides what the media shows you. But, sadly, you probably won't listen to reason because your mind is so brainwashed with an extreme hatred that cannot be simply put aside. The type of hatred that you present is a hatred that must be un-learned. Only when you truly learn how not to hate and how the world really works, then will you understand your fellow human.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Are they Black or White American citizens? Trust me colour would make a difference as to whether they would fire or not sad but true.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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OK, Let me say first that I try to support our troops but I rarely support the cause. But I find it harder everyday to standby my convictions (supporting our troops) when you see reporters on the street being shot at by attach choppers a mile away who's pilot is laughing about it. I fear they will do what ever they are told to do. No questions asked. A real shame.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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First and foremost, read my signature as this will explain why I will not attempt to exchange personal attacks as you previously have. Simply put, there is nothing to be gained by doing so and it would only stray from the subject at hand. I am sorry (not really) if I offended you for being honest. At this point in time, I would like to also point out that honesty and pride are two completely separate character attributes and for future conversations it would benefit you to be able to differentiate between the two in a correct manner. In addition to this, look up sociopath as well because that is a serious term for you to be throwing around based off of a few sentences. You simply do not know me well enough to use such a term. Do not get me wrong, you are free to do so, but as it has already been pointed out by other members, you are coming across as uneducated and IMO blinded by your own personal bias of the situation that was presented by the OP. Once again I am not trying to attack you, but rather inform you on how you can strengthen yourself for the future in terms of dialogue. Using a term incorrectly will devastate the rest of your argument.

Now, allow me to respond to the first sentence you wrote, "The actions of the world's armed forces devalue human life, so your attitude is no surprise." I laughed so hard when I read this. In case you are unaware, the world's armed forces does a lot more than just wage war. Many technological and scientific breakthroughs were a result of military actions. I could list them, but I do not believe you are the type to change your opinion due a silly little thing known as a "fact" (
, sorry I had to do it) . Just an interesting side note, if war had never been waged since the dawn of time and no human life was lost as a result, do you know what would probably happen? I will give you a hint, it is called "carrying capacity". Beyond this, there is something known as "crimes against humanity". This is an issue being called into play, present time, on Israel if you prefer not to dive into history books. Now for a more known example, the Nazi party. Are you to imply that war should not have been conducted in order to rid the world of that evil? I would certainly hope not. In your next post try to be a little more open minded. You clearly have not educated yourself on the subject nor do you have any experience either. In this type of situation, it is best to say nothing to save face. However, if you do wrangle up a witty retort to any of the points I have listed, please do so. Perhaps, you may educate me on something, in which case I would be happy to learn something new.

Honorable mentions: Raulken, Golf66, Echo3Foxtrot, Definity, and TDawgRex have brought some extremely good points for their arguments. Nicely done



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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I'm being accused of extreme hatred for having spoken out against the unwarranted violence perpetrated by our armed forces? Inexcusable. Horse's mouth



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by Timical
reply to post by jeantherapy
 


Many technological and scientific breakthroughs were a result of military actions. I could list them, but I do not believe you are the type to change your opinion due a silly little thing known as a "fact"


You won't list one, so I will. Agent Orange, aka one of your awesome breakthroughs as a result of military action. Silly things, those facts.






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