Iphone App That Tracks Chemtrail Tankers in Real Time, page 3

reply to post by jcarpenter

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It looks like a little precipitation is in your area today. That is what you would expect to see after persistent contrails the day before.

If "they" were truly poisoning you, wouldn't you be sick along with everyone in your area?

reply to post by luxordelphi

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What is safe when you don't know what's secret?

Lux,

If you know about it, sorry to blow your mind but be prepared, ready, here it is

Its Not Secret.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by tsurfer2000h

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People who use this app are not being tracked

You and your absolutes...and you would know this because???!!! Every electronic everything is tracked. That's what satellites and quantum computers and palm tree towers are for. If you're on the grid, in any electronic way, you're tracked. That's why people cover their tracks, electronically speaking.

No Lux

I think you need to understand the difference between being tracked and having your details/info logged into a database when using electronic communications.

reply to post by luxordelphi

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You and your absolutes...and you would know this because???!!!

How could one say this to one poster and in their next post.....

There's no android app that doesn't require extreme permissions at one end or the other.

You and your absolutes...and you know this because???!!!

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

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Dwarf planets such as Makemake, Eris, Sedna, Pluto, etc. have been out there for 4.5 billion years "just doing their thing". Why should anyone care that we learn of their existence?

Exactly. But the paranoid PTB do care. And they care because a search for Planet X, one of the most traditional and time-honored pursuits in all of astronomy, is, today, touted as a fool's errand by MSM and science sychophants and public opinion molding contractors.

Looking for chemtrails and looking for Planet X have something in common. They both involve looking at the sky. What secrets could this activity uncover? The criss-cross patterns of chemtrails over populated areas obscure the view. A check of the craft creating these patterns used to reveal that they are not on any public list.

But how simple, really, to create software for the unwashed that does list them. Further checking, with controllers, would reveal discrepancies. But then, how thin, the line, between questioning chemtrailing craft and terrorism. A line made thin by device.

Google reports surge in government surveillance - et tu, Web? (Nov. 13, 2012)

Requests from governments around the globe to remove content from Google search results and its other services spiked more than 70% in the first half of the year, the Internet search giant said.

Google said there were 1,791 requests to remove 17,746 pieces of content through June. That's according to the company's Transparency Report, which breaks down requests by country to illustrate the rising pressures Google faces over what type of content it can show to its more than 1 billion users.

In addition to its ubiquitous search engine, Google also runs the world's largest video-sharing site, YouTube. Its report casts a light on take-down requests that largely take place beyond the public purview.

Google also said government surveillance of digital citizens is surging, with demands for user data increasing in the first half of 2012. There were 20,938 requests for user data, up 15% from the second half of 2011, it said. The U.S. had the most requests for user data requests -- nearly 8,000, up 26% from the prior period.

Department of Homeland Security.Privacy Office.2011 Data Mining Report to Congress.2012

A. Automated Targeting System (ATS)

The results of queries in ATS-P are designed to signal to CBP officers that further inspection of a person may be warranted, even though an individual may not have been previously associated with a law enforcement action or otherwise noted as a person of concern to law enforcement.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
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The criss-cross patterns of chemtrails over populated areas obscure the view. A check of the craft creating these patterns used to reveal that they are not on any public list.

Where is this research available?

More gish gallop attempts to change the topic not quoted....

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

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Most people that need to cover their tracks do so because they have done something that they don't want to be associated with.Common tactic used by criminals.

Today's criminal, as Rudy2shoes said, includes:

I guess they have given consent,
and expect us to do the same.
When they say,
if you have nothing to hide,
and if you have consented,
then you should be like us,
and have nothing to fear.

and also:

Some day
I will understand the concept
that we have nothing to fear if we all consent.
Some of the language in the contract will be,
necessary evil,
nothing to fear,
etc.

With data mining and the data mart, the paranoia of our governments is taken to extremes and we've allowed it by saying, sure, we have to give up our freedoms and liberties in order to be safe. So there's a small group of psychotically paranoid elites versus the great unwashed. The safest possible situation for these elites is that the unwashed become microchipped slaves whose every movement and even thought is tracked to make sure that conformity is enforced and questioning activity in the sky, for instance, is nipped.

Legally, as Rudy2shoes pointed out, there's no defense because of our consent prior to downloading the first app on our android.

So not only are we ensnared but bagged and hung out as well.

Use of Data Mining on Satellite Data Bases for Knowledge Extraction

Satellites also accumulate records, but in the form of telemetry data points. Several hundreds to thousands of data points are formatted in telemetry frames every time step. These frames, once telemetered to the ground station, are stored in databases to be analyzed. The data points form the basis of historical data which accumulates and can be mined for relationships and information.

A data mart is made up of operational data that is designed to serve a particular or specialized group of users.

Data mining and surveillance in the post-9.11 environment

In addition, the government’s heightened concern wi th security following the events of 9.11 means that an infusion of tax dollars for research and development is likely to attract a swarm of competitors. We can expect this activity to support an even more rapid expansion in the capacity of these systems toproduce strategic “intelligence” from what would ordinarily be meaningless bits of data stored in computers all around the globe.

Data mining specialists at the MITRECorporation recently described one project that involved developing a strategy for identifying, or targeting vehicles for inspection by law enforcement officers.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

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Asking for evidence is "picky"??

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You all have never, ever provided a smidgen of physical evidence to show that sky grids are contrails in the traditional, WWII sense of the term. You all have been rather free in encouraging marginal behavior from chemtrail advocates, i.e. flying behind chemtrailing craft, in order that the chemtrail side provide 'evidence' which you, yourselves, have never provided.

Would you care to see if you can establish any actual link to Flightradar??

No. In case you hadn't noticed, I consider an invitation to open an app like flightradar on an android, suspect. My posts in this thread have been an invitation to consider consequences before acting.

you are good at throwing out random claims of connection without any actual evidence to back them up

The OP was about an android-ready app called flightradar. Don't see where I've strayed from the subject. The OP was kind enough to hold it out for attention and, imo, it deserves microscopic scrutiny.

reply to post by luxordelphi

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So there's a small group of psychotically paranoid elites versus the great unwashed. The safest possible situation for these elites is that the unwashed become microchipped slaves whose every movement and even thought is tracked to make sure that conformity is enforced and questioning activity in the sky, for instance, is nipped.

You do know that your not living in the matrix, and unless you have conspired to commit a crime the chances are the gov't could care less who or what you do.

As far as questioning the activity in the sky, there is nothing wrong with that but when you get the answer you don't agree with you need to bring the hard evidence to back your claims such as aircraft with spraying equipment, proof of the fuel being tampered with, or even some pics of those chemical tanks used for spraying..

And please don't use the same old pics that have been posted many times before..

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

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Asking for evidence is "picky"??

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You all have never, ever provided a smidgen of physical evidence to show that sky grids are contrails in the traditional, WWII sense of the term.

I have provided a great deal of evidence about contrails in the form of scientific papers and rational reason.

so yeah - I am moer than happy to say that you have provided no evidence at all, and you statement that asking for "evidence is picky" is questinoalbele.

I see in this latest iteration yuo ask for "physical" evidence - perhaps yuo would like to explain why it is that all teh evidence I have provided does not meet your criteria?

You all have been rather free in encouraging marginal behavior from chemtrail advocates, i.e. flying behind chemtrailing craft, in order that the chemtrail side provide 'evidence' which you, yourselves, have never provided.

well that's because "we" are al happy with the samples and science provided by otehrs who HAVE flown behind aircraft and sampled contails or measured their characteristics by other means.

ther is nothing "marginal" about do so in a controlled and rational manner - why wouldn't chemtrail beleivers want to do it??? Sampling a chemtrail would provde the case!!

Would you care to see if you can establish any actual link to Flightradar??

No. In case you hadn't noticed, I consider an invitation to open an app like flightradar on an android, suspect. My posts in this thread have been an invitation to consider consequences before acting.

I didn't ask you to install flight radar - I asked you to establish a link between DOD and Flightradar to support your (at least implied) claim that such a link existed.

you are good at throwing out random claims of connection without any actual evidence to back them up

The OP was about an android-ready app called flightradar. Don't see where I've strayed from the subject.

claims that because Sweden has accused Assange of a sex crime therefore the DOD is (probably/possibly) using FR24 to track who is checking up on their chemtankers due to having suppleid some software to someone ins eth 1980's weer pretty off base. not for you...but in general

The OP was kind enough to hold it out for attention and, imo, it deserves microscopic scrutiny.

So how about doing some actual scrutiny instead of gish galloping?

reply to post by luxordelphi

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You all have been rather free in encouraging marginal behavior from chemtrail advocates, i.e. flying behind chemtrailing craft, in order that the chemtrail side provide 'evidence' which you, yourselves, have never provided.

What is marginal behavior about providing a way that they can use to get that evidence?

That would be because people who know the truth about those lines in the sky do not need to test them, you
want to know why?

THey already know what is in a contrail.

reply to post by luxordelphi

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No. In case you hadn't noticed, I consider an invitation to open an app like flightradar on an android, suspect. My posts in this thread have been an invitation to consider consequences before acting.

Are we a bit paranoid today, because nobody cares if you put an app on your android and I am sure you are not even an afterthought to whoever you think could be getting your personal information.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by luxordelphi

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You all have been rather free in encouraging marginal behavior from chemtrail advocates, i.e. flying behind chemtrailing craft, in order that the chemtrail side provide 'evidence' which you, yourselves, have never provided.

What is marginal behavior about providing a way that they can use to get that evidence?

It is marginal because apparently none of them want to bother collecting real evidence.

So far this guy has got $300 towards his efforts - 5% of what he wants. you'd think $6k wouldn't be too much to ask to prove the case!!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

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I have provided a great deal of evidence about contrails in the form of scientific papers and rational reason.

Ditto for me on chemtrails. I have used the same scientific papers that you have in order to give a rational argument for chemtrails. But with you, that's not really the point. The point is that chemtrail/contrail: both are toxic to us and to the environment. You marginalize jet emissions in order to be convoluted. The link between fake cirrus and drought is self-evident.

US drought worsens after weeks of improvement (Nov. 22, 2012)

The report showed that 60.1 percent of the lower 48 states were in some form of drought as of Tuesday, up from 58.8 percent the previous week. The amount of land in extreme or exceptional drought — the two worst classifications — increased from 18.3 percent to 19.04 percent.

I didn't ask you to install flight radar - I asked you to establish a link between DOD and Flightradar to support your (at least implied) claim that such a link existed.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that DOD is not interested in the public's interest in flight paths? Some of the things you say just aren't very real. Look at all the hoopla to just get on a plane. Look at all the mistakes i.e. babies that are on some terror watch list. Those are the glitches in the data mart info showing up. If you can't be real about the sky and what is actually visible there, at least be realistic about the path that electronic surveillance has taken. Read the links I provided earlier. Profiling is an old old science. It was done in WWII on Hitler in order to find predictability and weakness. Profiling is a scary science; scary in the sense that it is unerringly accurate. When used to indicate the persons not in a sonambalistic state but still questioning and objecting, it becomes very big brotherish.

And by the way, thanks for cleaning up your original post - what a mess that was. You couldn't tell whose quote was whose and for a fraction I thought you were deliberately trying to be confusing.

reply to post by GoKill

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The funny thing is that this app DOES NOT track the chemical spewing planes. I have checked the skies and compared with the data. 1 out of 9 planes (spewing "unknown substance") at the most is displayed, yet they say on the homepage that like 70% of ALL commercial air traffic is registered.

The whole app itself reveals the existance of non registered planes spewing what-ever, but it does not do what you claim, sorry.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

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I have provided a great deal of evidence about contrails in the form of scientific papers and rational reason.

Ditto for me on chemtrails.

And then you say.....

I have used the same scientific papers that you have in order to give a rational argument for chemtrails.

Scientific papers about contrails do not provide any ration argument for chemtrails - your perversion of them is just disinfo.

But with you, that's not really the point.

Oh - well thank yuo for telling me what my point is...

The point is that chemtrail/contrail: both are toxic to us and to the environment. You marginalize jet emissions in order to be convoluted.

Where did I ever marginalise jet emissions?

Jet pollution exists WHETHER YOU CAN SEE A CONTRAIL OR NOT.

The link between fake cirrus and drought is self-evident.

US drought worsens after weeks of improvement (Nov. 22, 2012)

The report showed that 60.1 percent of the lower 48 states were in some form of drought as of Tuesday, up from 58.8 percent the previous week. The amount of land in extreme or exceptional drought — the two worst classifications — increased from 18.3 percent to 19.04 percent.

Not a single mention of cloud in the article - no link identified there at all - as with all you so-called "rational arguments for chemtrails" it completely lacks any connection whatsoever.

I didn't ask you to install flight radar - I asked you to establish a link between DOD and Flightradar to support your (at least implied) claim that such a link existed.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that DOD is not interested in the public's interest in flight paths?

I am asking you for evidence to support your claim that there is such an interest.

Are you seriously telling me you have no evidence and have dreamed this up from your own imagination?

Some of the things you say just aren't very real.

Really? so me requesting you supply some evidence to support your claim is "not real"?

Look at all the hoopla to just get on a plane. Look at all the mistakes i.e. babies that are on some terror watch list. Those are the glitches in the data mart info showing up. If you can't be real about the sky and what is actually visible there, at least be realistic about the path that electronic surveillance has taken. Read the links I provided earlier. Profiling is an old old science. It was done in WWII on Hitler in order to find predictability and weakness. Profiling is a scary science; scary in the sense that it is unerringly accurate. When used to indicate the persons not in a sonambalistic state but still questioning and objecting, it becomes very big brotherish.

So you are saying that because the allies in WW2 "Eavesdropped on Hitler" therefore the DOD is checking flightradar? Or it occurs because there are body searches for passengers boarding a/c?? Or because there is phone tapping? That is your "rational argument"?

So I guess....yes - you are telling us you have dreamed this up from your own imagination!

Yet again you show the bankruptcy of the "chemtrail" myth - you cannot come up with a single piece of evidence to support your scaremongering at all - even when you do provide a link....there is no actual link to your claim (that "the link between fake cirrus and drought is self evident")

BTW of course "fake cirrus" is also not chemtrails is it - it is water - ice crystals....so you manage to debunk your own disinfo!!

reply to post by reef75

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You just said why they aren't listed right there in your reply. They track 70% of all COMMERCIAL flights. The military doesn't use ADS-B or Mode S on all their aircraft yet. They're moving that way, but it's being installed on commercial aircraft first.

There is also General Aviation as well. They're not currently required to fly with ADS-B or Mode S installed, and they fly at an altitude that leaves contrails as well.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

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Not a single mention of cloud in the article...

The trouble with you is that you require a 'Now Hear This' from some bureaucratic loudspeaker in order to tell you what is what. Luckily, for DOD, they data mine and go with the results irregardless of sense or ethics or popular opinion or what current 'science' is telling them. Lucky for them; unlucky for the person downloading flightradar on an android.

While you're still waiting for an announcement, this world, as we know it, will pass away and DOD electronic surveillance will cease to exist and DOD will have to go back, way back, to sneaking and peeking under a tent flap for their intelligence.

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