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Originally posted by Kali74
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Kali74
Education is already socialized. That happened when the American public was forced to support public education. The only difference is that some private industry is allowed to flourish. Unless you were referring to higher education.
Education of any kind is not socialized in America. Public education of grades K-12 falls under the Federal Government, while that makes it tax payer funded it does not make it socialized... there is a major difference but I will leave you to figure out what that difference is. As public education stands now at least it is something.
During the recent Fox News and Google presidential debate, Ron Paul opined to the crowd, "You ought to have a right to opt out of the public system if you want." Although he could have been drawing comparisons between Obamacare and European socialized medicine, the congressman was actually referencing America's socialized educational system. It was a brilliant point. Just as the "public option" is merely a different term for socialized medicine, public education is simply a euphemized phrase for socialized education.
In the early 1800s, Horace Mann led a movement to replace America's community and parent-controlled school model with Prussian-style public schools. He believed that free education was a right and demeaned religious institutions that already made education available.
Mann's vision was originally met with strong resistance, as parents were reluctant to cede control of their children's education to government bureaucrats. Ultimately, a compulsory attendance mandate was passed -- not unlike the individual mandate found in Obamacare. Shortly afterward, private schools began to close.
Read more: www.americanthinker.com...
However, as we all know, "free education" isn't free, but subsidized through tax levies on all citizens -- even those with no school-age children and those who have chosen to educate their children privately. Herein lies the genius of the left: by dictating the funding of government-run education and health care programs, millions of families are left with few alternatives outside the government's control. Although the right to enroll their children in private schools remains, this "right," for all practical purposes, often cannot be exercised due to income limitations.
As public education stands now at least it is something.
The people who hate the US like to bring up this point, and ignore that the Japanese were the aggressors
The Liberals’ Dixiecrat myth goes something like this: In 1964 and 1965, southern Democrats were racist segregationists. In 1968, the racist segregationist southern Democrats became Dixiecrats. By 1980 all the Dixiecrats had already become racist segregationist southern Republicans. During this same time, the integrationist race-blind southern Republicans up and decided to become southern Democrats. It had to be completed by 1980 because Ronald Reagan.
Libs said for 8 years that Bush was a fascist. Many people have said we might not have elections. I personally think Barak will not want to give up the power. But it's more, it's the whole Totalitarian machine picking up speed like a runaway train.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96
That would be because neither of you understand Socialism, you got your ideologies from FOX and learned of others from the same source.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Kali74
Here's more explanation from Stephen L Slavin. pb 83
"'The theory of the Communists may be summed up in hte single sentence: ABOLITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY," DECLARED KARL MARX and Friedrich Engels in THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. Who would own everything? The state. And eventually the state would wither away and we would be left with a workers' paradise."
"In the Soviet version of communism, under which the state had evidently not yet withered away, most of the capitalist roles were reversed. Instead of a guidance system of prices to direct production, a government planning committee dictated exactly what was produced, how it was produced, and for whome the goods and services were produced. After all, the state owned and operated nearly all of the means of production and distribution."
"In our economy, the market forces of supply and demand dictate what gets produced and how much of it gets produced. But a government planning agency in the Soviet Union dictated what and how much was made. "
p 84
"How well did the Soviet communist system work? Remember the chronic shortages of consumer goods we mentioned earlier in the chapter? Although Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev went to great lengths to shake up the bureaucracy and get the economy moving again, his efforts were futile. To raise output, he found he needed to somehow remove the heavy hand of bureaucracy from the economic controls."
And on p 85
"The economies of such countries as Sweden, Canada, Greaet Britain, and, recently France and Greece have been described as socialist, not only by government officials in those countries but by outside observers as well. In general, these economies have three characterisitcs: (1) GOVERNMENT OWNErSHIP of SOME of the means of production (2) a substantial degree of government planning; and (3) a large-scale redistribution of income from the wealthy and the well to do to the middle class, workikng class, and the poor."
MEDICAL care, EDUCATION, RETIREMENT benefits, and other essential needs are guaranteed to every citizen. Al you need to do is be born."
So I hope that clarifies things for you since you apparently do not know yourself and think it is everyone else who does not.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
American education isn't socialized?
What?
Spending billions upon billions of other peoples money and get nothing back out of it?
Sure sounds like socialized to me.
Originally posted by neo96
What the next 4 years are going to look like in a nutshell is exactly what the last 4 years have looked like
4 more years of being told I hate poor people
4 more years of being told I hate women
4 more years of being told I hate African Americans
4 more years of being told I hate Hispanics
4 more years of being told I hate Gays
4 more years of being told I hate the middle class
4 more years of being told how evil corporations are
4 more years of being told how evil banks are
4 more years of the mass media ignoring everything inherently wrong with the current administration
4 more years of how the GOP is obstructionist.
4 more years of tax the rich
4 more years of the liberal superiority complex from a party that claims everyone is "equal"
4 more years of "like how totally awesome Obama and the Democrats are".
4 more years of Blame Bush which makes Bush the longest serving Potus in US history.
The United states of ignorance is what the country is
The united states of dysfunction is also what this country is.
Blah blah Blah
In the immortal words of Benjamin Franklin:
We are all born ignorant, but one really must work hard to remain stupid.edit on 18-11-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)[/quote
Great post. I completely agree, however this has sadly been going on before Obama was elected, and unfortunately will after his last 4 years is over. It has little to do with his presidency, and much to do with marxist garbage.
Originally posted by TheIceQueen
Originally posted by neo96
What the next 4 years are going to look like in a nutshell is exactly what the last 4 years have looked like
4 more years of being told I hate poor people
4 more years of being told I hate women
4 more years of being told I hate African Americans
4 more years of being told I hate Hispanics
4 more years of being told I hate Gays
4 more years of being told I hate the middle class
4 more years of being told how evil corporations are
4 more years of being told how evil banks are
4 more years of the mass media ignoring everything inherently wrong with the current administration
4 more years of how the GOP is obstructionist.
4 more years of tax the rich
4 more years of the liberal superiority complex from a party that claims everyone is "equal"
4 more years of "like how totally awesome Obama and the Democrats are".
4 more years of Blame Bush which makes Bush the longest serving Potus in US history.
The United states of ignorance is what the country is
The united states of dysfunction is also what this country is.
Blah blah Blah
In the immortal words of Benjamin Franklin:
We are all born ignorant, but one really must work hard to remain stupid.edit on 18-11-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)[/quote
Great post. I completely agree, however this has sadly been going on before Obama was elected, and unfortunately will after his last 4 years is over. It has little to do with his presidency, and much to do with marxist garbage.
What marxist garbage? What are you talking about? Care to share?
CJ
Originally posted by neo96
The Marxist garbage of class warfare, and race baiting I have yet to see my opposites tell me why a rich person should pay their fair share beyond the typical, " Their rich therefore their evil" crap.