reply to post by namine
Most of those you would call "Christians" probably wouldn't consider me to be a christian. I do have some beliefs in common with them, and I was
raised in a very christian family. I have also studied this "religion,"* quite a bit, so i may be able to give a couple answers.
(*"Christianity" is more a collection of many closely-related religions, in my opinion, as some christian churches or sects can have widely varying
I do have to say I find it odd that some people seem to be almost on a mission to mock christianity. I find it funny that often, to those who are far
more well-versed in the subject, such mocking inquiries can come across as very highly ignorant, and indicative of that person's low intelligence. It
seems it's become trendy among psuedo-intellectuals to become "atheist." IMO "atheism" is a religion in itself-- as they are relying ON FAITH that
there is no god. God is presently an unprovable thing one way or another. So if you have FAITH that there is no god, you are...ta-DA!.....part of a
1,2- Noah's ark... this one couldn't be easier. My version of this answer you may feel is a cop-out. I do not. Do not take the whole bible
Just don't. Because it's not. Many biblical scholars (even those who agree that the bible contains some historical fact) also agree
that not the whole bible is a literal history. Much is allegorical.
Further, there is some evidence that there was a flood in the REGION (not the whole world) in biblical times. Records of this exist in extra-biblical
writing from the region. If it was only a regional flood, this negates his first question. His second question is a stupid engineering problem,
really. Hey, some people think there were ancient aliens... in which case maybe Noah's "ark" was pressurized and oxygenated.
3- The "punishment" in the eden story is not the kind of punishment that we normally think of. They didn't get a spanking. They had their eyes opened.
They REALIZED many things, including their own mortality. The punishment is in the gift. We live in a world of opposites, where for any thing to exist
in this reality, its opposite must exist. We were given free will, but in order for tangible "this-ness" to exist, as well as freedom of choice, there
HAS TO be evil, suffering, pain, etc. This is what the garden story is talking about....
4- The next answer is contained in the last. In this world, for anything to exist, there must be "a thing" and "its opposite." Opposition provides
form. As such, evil and temptation are actually a part of "the plan." My personal take is that "Satan" may describe a part of ourSELVES. You know...
that little part of your brain that tells you to do stuff...the part that tempts
you? Yep--that one. Even if "Satan" were a real, external
entity, it would still have to fit into the ultimate plan in this same way.
5- WTF? Why does this even matter? Really dumb question, IMO, without further elaboration.
6- Okay... this is getting even dumber
than I first anticipated. And that's "impressive." Again, I ask you... why does this even matter? Is
this guy suggesting that there is a variation in the scriptural accounts between gospels? Congratulations, genius-- you spotted a scriptural
inconsistency. They do seem to happen here and there, especially in the New Testament. Keep in mind that the bible is an edited collection
books, some of which were written long after the life of Christ. And given the history of certain church "leaders" omitting or changing what they saw
fit, it is possible a detail got lost here or there. Not to mention that some parts of certain modern English translations are atrocious compared to
the original. Blah blah blah... I really hope the rest of the questions are more intelligent....
7- Oh...so now you admit that some parts may be allegorical? Convenient. And I can't wholly answer this question. You'd have to ask someone from the
Nicene committee. I did not choose the books of the bible, nor do I agree with all of it, nor do I agree with some of the omissions. FWIW genesis was
literal and allegorical. Sure, that sounds weird... but so is the Bible.
8- Hey, let's just nit-pick about the same stupid points. By "same" I mean that this is the same as I mention in numbers 6 and 7 above.
Inconsistencies exist. There are reasons for that. He's picking some really minor, dumb ones too that have nothing to do with the spiritual aspect of
9- If I'm not mistaken, genealogies would have typically been traced through the mother's line, not the father's. I think I read an involved
explanation of this once, but I'm not bringing it back ATM. I'm also starting to regret having wasted my time with this nonsense. Who knows... maybe
Joseph was born of a virgin.
I have read something indicating the fact that Jesus' family was pretty well-to-do, whomever they were....
10-- Ah yes, more trifling nonsense about New-Testament gospel inconsistencies which are nearly irrelevant. Imagine if 10 ATS members, by memory,
tried to write accounts of the Kennedy Assassination, each writing 10-100 years apart from each other. How many details do you think might differ? If
I remember correctly, the gospel of John is believed to be the oldest (though I've heard at least one scholar put his money on Matthew)
Oh god... I was REALLY hoping video 2 was going to be by someone else. Well... I guess I'll strap myself in for 10 more really dumb quesitons about
minor and meaningless NT-inconsistencies....
1- At least this isn't a dumb inconsistency question. Though it is pretty epically dumb. If you believe in the existence of a soul, and the
afterlife... then there is no such thing as "losing" something by killing it. And how would that be a sacrifice? Well... how's about someone nails
you to a piece of wood for a while. Don't worry, we'll let you off after a few hours-- no death involved. What's that? You'll pass? Why ever would
you not want to do that? I mean... we'll let you get off, after a while. No sacrifice.
2- Dumbest question of all. I don't know if this guy is so stupid as to equate some preacher or church, with an all-knowing and all-powerful god, but
this is really almost too dumb to bear. God does not ask for money. Men do things in the name of god. Lots of things. Vile things. This question
almost makes me want to send this guy an angry email, it's so idiotic.
3- Oh my! This one actually sounds like a somewhat decent question. Not too
good, though. I thought atheists were supposed to be all logical
and stuff. Why does god regret making him king (a fact this guy does not mention)? It is because Saul disobeyed. Remember-- we have free will.
Because of free will and duality, god's plan allows for evil and disappointment. If god wanted everything to turn out in a way that wouldn't
disappoint him, why would he even bother to give us free will? Why not just make us do exactly what he wants?
Also consider that this book was not written in english, and "regret" may not be the perfect word here. Lots of errors in biblical interpretation,
IMO, come back to really poor translation. Some versions have this word as "grieved" not "regretted." Let's see what Strong's has to say about the
1) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted
1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion
2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent
3) to comfort oneself, be comforted
4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself
What I read was that he didn't like what he saw. He was upset by Saul's free will choice. Simple as that.
4- Ooh. He's getting better at these. Only took him 14 warm-up questions. This is more philosophical than biblical, as the bible does not address
this. Maybe god designed itself. Maybe god always existed. Maybe god was created in a reverse causal chain
5- Ah, back to semi-dumb questions. I say "semi-dumb" as this question has NOTHING (irony?) to do with Christianity, or even religion. At this point,
he's just philosophizing. If nothing can come from nothing, where did the universe come from? Ask god.
6- If something can
come from nothing, why do we need god to create the universe? Um... who ever said this is possible? Maybe something can
come from nothing only if god wills it. Loop back to question 5. Stupid. Error. Stupid. Error. Stupid. Error. Stupiiiiii.....
7- I'm not sure the basis of his question is even correct. I am sure certain christian sects would absolutely disagree with that. He is actually
making SEVERAL assumptions with this question. Poor ones, too. I don't feel like untangling this giant ball of stupid.
8- Yes, he allowed it... why do the questions have to follow the very same theme (free will, inconsistencies, blah) and yet get dumber and dumber?
9- Because science works, and sometimes it is easier. I should note that some christians DO NOT "run to science," when they get sick. I should further
point out that this verse does not prohibit them from doing so, either. What it DOES say is this:
14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the
prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.
Emphasis Added. My take here (and this is my actual belief) is that this kind of thing does not work without the faith that it will work. Most people
just don't have that kind of faith. Faith (in miracles, and one's ability to perform them) is actually a central theme of Christ's teachings.
10-- This is not an actual question. I'm not going to break this down part by part. I'll consider doing it later if I'm bored. For now I've wasted
enough of my time typing rational responses to people who likely have a strong faith in their no-god, and will not listen. As stated I do not agree
with everything in the bible. I do, however, believe that many of Christ's teachings and attitudes would be beneficial for humanity, if that is the
part of the message people focused on most... which it often is not. Central to this, I believe, is the idea that we are all "sons of god," and that
we are all capable of the kind of miracles he is alleged to have performed.
Next time please ask your own intelligent questions, or otherwise at least find videos from someone who isn't a complete moron.
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