You say I don't think? You seem to be pretty intent on proving your inability to comprehend that which you read.
Originally posted by AfterInfinityOh, and one more thing. You accuse me of not reading the Bible because I said the most pivotal
character doesn't have a gospel of his own in there. Are you stupid? Please point out to me where the Gospel of Jesus is in the Bible. And if you
can't, then you should drop your attitude, because I don't appreciate anyone talking down to me when they are talking out their
You don't appreciate being talked down to?
Perhaps you shouldn't do it to others, then. You think it's okay for you to do, but you cry foul
when you think someone's doing it to you? That's some real strength of character, there. More hypocritical than most of the Christians you deride.
You said nothing about Christ having his own gospel. What you actually said, and I quote:
I find it a little strange that the most pivotal character in the Bible isn't allowed to speak for himself, except through other mens' words.
Seems a little suspicious to me.
Since you're referring to Christ "speaking for himself" then he certainly does that, as he is quoted directly in the gospels, numerous times. As
far as him having "his own gospel," the closest we have is the Gospel of Thomas which, despite its being non-canonical, many scholars believe it may
have been the "key" gospel from which the others were derived-- an early example of Christ's own words. It has been speculated that a gospel
written by christ himself exists, but it has never been found. Regardless, a quote from someone IS a representation of their own words.
I also love how you dodge the reading-the-bible question by mentioning how you've been in church in recent years. I tell you again that listening to
some other person's interpretation of the bible is not the same as reading it yourself, and it really seems like you're intent to bash a book you
haven't read, and a religion you obviously know little
about, with some stereotypical idea in your head of what "Christianity" is.
The last time I attended a church service, was last Christmas. And I can tell you that isn't what I heard in that church that day. If your
interpretation is the only true interpretation, then why do so many disagree?
I told you that not all Christian sects agree. Are you paying attention? Or maybe you're just waiting to talk? I never claimed my interpretations
were 100% truth and that I have the only way. Not even close. It's just what I happen to believe. And you're right that most "Christians" would
not agree with many of my viewpoints. That's fine with me. Now pay careful attention, as I'm going to break this down for you really clear and
simple, one more time:
You and I are not quite as "opposed" in our viewpoints as you seem to think. I agree that religion has been a force for destruction in this world. A
terrible one. I hate some of the awful things done in the name of god, or in the name of believing that YOUR WAY is the only way to the truth. I hate
that crap as much as you do. I dislike fundamental Christians as much as fundamental Muslims. Extremists. People who try to force their views on
others. People who ignore and/or disrespect science. I have no room for that crap in my life, and I wish it were wiped off the face of the planet. No
respect for those who snidely judge others as though they were somehow better (and this goes for smug atheists too) But the way to do that is through
reason and compassion, not insults.
If you're going to attempt to remove this kind of religion with aggression, it has to be absolute
aggression, where you're destroying any
traces of it. Because your angry attitude will only make the "true believers" more defensive. If you instead used calm logic, your message might
even get through to some of them. I don't think your real purpose is to help free people as you claim. At least your actions do not back this up. It
seems to me you're just angry and want to call people stupid, and then become offended when someone calls you out...as though you were the one
minding your business when you were insulted. Unbelievable.
I'll end by saying that if you haven't seen any
good come from Christianity, as a whole or in its individual sects, you simply haven't been
looking hard enough. I agree that lots of horrible stuff has been done, and there is no justifying that. But a lot of good has been done too. Just
because you can't see it, doesn't mean that it does not exist. Do understand that when you start out from a highly biased standpoint, you will only
ever find what you set out looking for.