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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the berkely project specifically states there is no correlation between the solar cycles and the rise in temps

and they did the math

funny thing is they were hired by the koch bros to debunk the science in front of congress. and they corroborated it. I wish I could have seen the koch bros faces that day

how does that sand taste ?


The Koch brothers are part of the elite, and they(the elite) have clearly stated that they want a One World Government "to combat Climate Change", when in fact it will just give them more power over people, and ignorant people like yourself are actually playing along with their scheme...

It is a LIE that the Sun's activity had stopped in the 1950s, or the 1980s...

But of course, people like you will close your eyes to real science and what real scientists have been trying to tell you because they go against your new RELIGION...


March 20, 2003 (date of web publication)

NASA Study Finds Increasing Solar Trend That Can Change Climate

Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits, during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," said Richard Willson, a researcher affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies and Columbia University's Earth Institute, New York. He is the lead author of the study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters.

"Historical records of solar activity indicate that solar radiation has been increasing since the late 19th century. If a trend, comparable to the one found in this study, persisted throughout the 20th century, it would have provided a significant component of the global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports to have occurred over the past 100 years," he said.

NASA's Earth Science Enterprise funded this research as part of its mission to understand and protect our home planet by studying the primary causes of climate variability, including trends in solar radiation that may be a factor in global climate change.
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In this study, Willson, who is also Principal Investigator of NASA's ACRIM experiments, compiled a TSI record of over 24 years by carefully piecing together the overlapping records. In order to construct a long-term dataset, he needed to bridge a two-year gap (1989 to 1991) between ACRIM1 and ACRIM2. Both the Nimbus7/ERB and ERBS measurements overlapped the ACRIM 'gap.' Using Nimbus7/ERB results produced a 0.05 percent per decade upward trend between solar minima, while ERBS results produced no trend. Until this study, the cause of this difference, and hence the validity of the TSI trend, was uncertain. Willson has identified specific errors in the ERBS data responsible for the difference. The accurate long-term dataset, therefore, shows a significant positive trend (.05 percent per decade) in TSI between the solar minima of solar cycles 21 to 23 (1978 to present). This major finding may help climatologists to distinguish between solar and man-made influences on climate.
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That study only covered 24 years, from 1978 until 2002, and in it Wilson found an increase in solar irradiance.

That study is not the only one that exists, other studies have concluded that the Sun has/had been more active in the last 80-100 years, if not more, than at any time in the last 1,000-1,500 years...



Sunspots reaching 1,000-year high

By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor
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But the most striking feature, he says, is that looking at the past 1,150 years the Sun has never been as active as it has been during the past 60 years.

Over the past few hundred years, there has been a steady increase in the numbers of sunspots, a trend that has accelerated in the past century, just at the time when the Earth has been getting warmer.
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Over the past 20 years, however, the number of sunspots has remained roughly constant, yet the average temperature of the Earth has continued to increase.
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news.bbc.co.uk...

The above excerpt claims that the past 20 years the "number of sunspots has remained constant", but Wilson's research found that the total irradiance of the Sun had continued to increase during that time until the end of the research in 2002.

I have also posted other evidence in the past which shows the activity of the Sun has/had been increasing, and we know this for example because the strength of magnetic storms in the Sun has/had also been increasing even well after 2002 and at least until the end of 2005 to the beginning of 2006, at which time the Sun's activity slowed down to a crawl, and lo and behold the Earth's temperature dropped.

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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 



Several years ago when climate science revealed this was going to be a problem the overwhelming naysayers beat down the warnings. And now that things are beginning to look real and the disasters are compiling, some are beginning to pay attention.. However, it is simply too late in my opinion.. I think its time for preparing
for the future of the next ice age.


First, the warmists outweigh the so called naysayers otherwise we would not have all the carbon tax etc. So that is score one wrong. If the warmists were beaten down explain the current situation where everything is based on climate change, whether correctly or not? If the naysayers had 'beaten down' the warmists we would not even be talking about it.

The climate scientists said we would not know what snow was like yet now you say we are heading for an ice age. Score two wrong. The models were changed when the climate scientists realised they were wrong.

Fiddled figures and general fraud and wrong doing, and whether global warming is real or not and is man made or not, just how does a carbon tax prevent emissions? It does not. It is so obvious that the whole carbon credit scheme is a scam set up to extract money and has absolutely nothing whatsoever do do with saving the planet.

IF these people had ANY intention of saving the planet they would make available technologies that would assist in that way and NOT simply raise taxes and profits.

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LOL, the Warmists? All that "carbon tax"? What new carbon tax is beating up the poor coal and fossil fuel industries?

You morons keep talking about all the "profit" in promoting Global Warming -- what, like ONE DAY of the profits from Oil Companies? People didn't spend 16 years in higher education so they could waste their lives lying for a research grant -- I just don't believe that. These scientists could have made a lot more money on Wall Street being "job creators" and creating algorithms for programmed trades.

Talk to us again when we have another huge freak storm because oceans are warmer and the tide is higher.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Nobody was proposing ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT to combat climate change. We had things like the "Kyoto Protocols" -- these are international agreements.

The New World Order is a very silly notion, since the Old World Order is very happy with ripping us off and having us fight with each other. One World Government would get in the way of causing civil wars, and selling each side weapons for cheap resources.

You have to go a LONG WAY to make pollution standards look bad -- while the conspiracy of Carbon Fuel energy companies is ever present, in our faces, and making quite a bit of money right now.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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feel better ?

good.

it's very simple. the rise in temps is not the result of a rise is solar activity. the data simply does not support it.

volcanoes have more of a natural effect than any solar variation, that's a myth

you can use bold and caps, you're still wrong



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:36 AM
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LOL, the Warmists? All that "carbon tax"? What new carbon tax is beating up the poor coal and fossil fuel industries?

You morons keep talking about all the "profit" in promoting Global Warming -- what, like ONE DAY of the profits from Oil Companies? People didn't spend 16 years in higher education so they could waste their lives lying for a research grant -- I just don't believe that. These scientists could have made a lot more money on Wall Street being "job creators" and creating algorithms for programmed trades.

Talk to us again when we have another huge freak storm because oceans are warmer and the tide is higher.


Congratulations in completely missing the point of what I was saying. Maybe if you put down some of your vitriol and angst you would be able to read the text clearly.

In essence, since you have skated over it, the point was that carbon tax and other carbon trading initiatives do nothing to eliminate or alleviate the problems.

I am not a moron. I have a very high IQ and am a member of a certain society for such people. I have sufficient educational certificates to refute your suggestion as well, and merely slating other members does absolutely nothing to bolster your arguments, even if you have misread the text.

By the way if you are referring to Sandy that was not a freak storm nor was it in any way the biggest that has occurred. You might care to go and research before you bring your vitriol and angst to the boards.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
feel better ?

good.

it's very simple. the rise in temps is not the result of a rise is solar activity. the data simply does not support it.

volcanoes have more of a natural effect than any solar variation, that's a myth

you can use bold and caps, you're still wrong


i put certain words, and paragraphs in bold and large letters because I think I am chatting with children, such as yourself, sometimes.

You obviously have no idea how powerful the Sun is, like always, people like you think CO2 is more powerful than the Sun, and everything else...

I presented evidence that corroborates my statements. you obviously don't know that slight variations in the tilt of the Earth's axis, with respect to the SUN, can make it spring, summer, Autumn, or winter...

Without the SUN, you wouldn't have any of the seasons...

BTW, just because you CLAIM that I am wrong doesn't make me so, more so when I present evidence corroborating my argument, and all you are doing is "making claims based on a religion"...

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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Nobody was proposing ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT to combat climate change. We had things like the "Kyoto Protocols" -- these are international agreements.
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You aren't paying much attention then.

I have already posted the following several times.

The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster

These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming been blamed on humans)



Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

The above paper is from 1991 from the UN (UNESCO is a branch of the UN in case you didn't know). It, and the meetings these globalists have been having call for a GLOBAL SOCIALIST/FASCIST GOVERNMENT derived from CORPORATE GOVERNANCE...

They are getting money through the AGW scam to escape the real NATURAL changes which the Earth is undergoing and which will get worse meanwhile convincing a large percentage of people that "mankind is at fault so we must sequester atmospheric CO2 through a One World Government to combat Climate Change" meanwhile they squeeze us of money and destroy all middle classes, and make us all poor around the world...


"Effective World Government Will Be Needed to Stave Off Climate Catastrophe."

So read Saturday's headline to Senior Editor Gary Stix's piece at one of the nation's most popular science magazines Scientific American:

A policy article authored by several dozen scientists appeared online March 15 in Science to acknowledge this point: “Human societies must now change course and steer away from critical tipping points in the Earth system that might lead to rapid and irreversible change. This requires fundamental reorientation and restructuring of national and international institutions toward more effective Earth system governance and planetary stewardship.” [...]

The authors called for aconstitutional moment at the upcoming 2012 U.N. Conference on Sustainable Development in Rio in June to reform world politics and government. Among the proposals: a call to replace the largely ineffective U.N. Commission on Sustainable Development with a council that reports to the U.N. General Assembly, at attempt to better handle emerging issues related to water, climate, energy and food security. The report advocates a similar revamping of other international environmental institutions.

Unfortunately, far more is needed. To be effective, a new set of institutions would have to be imbued with heavy-handed, transnational enforcement powers...In principle, species-wide alteration in basic human behaviors would be a sine qua non, but that kind of pronouncement also profoundly strains credibility in the chaos of the political sphere.
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But there is no attempt to make a One World Order to combat Climate Change huh?...





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