Gaza Versus Israel (and the rest of the arab world) for dummies

Originally posted by iwontrun
reply to post by cody599

 

Thank you had my wife and 14 year old son watch when they asked what this "whole middle east thing" was about. I find it odd that my son hasn't even heard about this in school.

Glad it was of help thanks for taking the time to watch.

Dennis Prager is Jewish... just saying...

Dennis Prager speaking at the California Capitol Building, 2008
Born August 2, 1948 (age 64)
USA
Occupation Radio host, political commentator, author, and television personality
Religion Jewish
Spouse(s) Janice (1981–1986, div. 1 child)
Francine Stone (1988–2005, div. 1 child)
Susan Reed (2008–pres)
Children 2

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@OP, could you please put up the biography of this person at the beginning of your page please. Thank you.

Biased BS. How can they not even mention Sabra and Shatila?

OP why post this video? Waste of time.

reply to post by cody599


Thanks so much! I hope this video gets into the recent regime changes in the Arab world that have brought in hard-line Islamic rulers. For example, Egypt would have been more of an ally to Israel before its regime change.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


After I watched his video and then some of the others posted by him like "Are You a Liberal" I came to the conclusion that he had a biased viewpoint. I think he over-simplified the issue in the Middle-East - although I do agree with his assessment, I think he left out a lot of relevant history.

reply to post by dontreally

Those of us who are emotionally or intellectually immature won't be willing to depart from a position we initially held to.

Fortunately, this process of maturing is already happening amongst those who've played an active role in the conflict.
The more of them, from both sides, going through this process and sharing their experiences with the rest of the world, the more there is the chance that the extremist views become less dominant and an actual process of healing can begin.



Lets hear it from Soldiers

reply to post by cody599

Apparently this guy doesn't know anything about Zionism. Wait a minute, sounds like he IS one. He thinks the Jews are real Jews over there, and why not let the Jews have their own country? Okay, lets put it in South Carolina. You know, kick all the people out of South Carolina and say: "Sorry, this is our country now". And then the invaders start bombing the hell out of North Caroline, Georgia and everyone else on the east coast.
No, its all a con. "The rich men of the world". Balfour Agreement after WW I. Rothchild, The three World Wars thing, Georgia Guidestones, kill, kill, kill, wipe out 90% of the world population. Useless eaters anyway. Hmmm, Could it be the "Useless Eaters" are the Zionists? The "Elites"? Looks that way to me.

reply to post by Healthlaws


Certainly they're not the ones paying the bills for all of it are they?
They're war-profiteers and actually make money off it, while we pay for it. Incredible. Incredibly disgusting.

Thanks for posting the Israeli soldiers' videos @talklikeapirat
Hopefully the people educating their families with propaganda videos will have them watch those ones as well.

Who better to tell the stories? Like a lot of the people who think they 'support the troops', but probably have not seen the videos of the American soldiers who are speaking out against our military actions in the middle east.

reply to post by talklikeapirat


Ok, watched the video. No need to post it every time you want to engage in conversation with me.

Now, in what sense do you mean "extremist"? Is Hamas - a totalitarian Islamist regime, that heaves a life sucking Jizya tax on non-muslims, prohibits the sale of of alcohol, the playing of music (!), dancing, forces women to wear Hijabs, cover their arms, legs, etc - have you seen a Muslim women "bathing suit"?.. Its an outrage that they can't ever expose their skin to the rays of the sun. Oh...but this isn't extremist... it's simply "Islam". Is their threatening anyone with death who wants to do any of these things, extremist? Is the vicious Jew-hatred propaganda that they teach in their schools, broadcast on their T.V's and radios, and print in the papers, extremist??

I just want to know what you mean by extremist. Because to ignore this - to not see how dangerously extreme it is, begs the question, what are your principles? and why don't you honor them?

If you dislike extremism, than this should bother you. Hamas is the extremist salafist/Islamist philosophy of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. Egypt is now under the Islamist philosophy; Tunisia's parliament is now dominated by Islamism; Libya is on the verge of an Islamist takeover; Syrian Islamists are very close to taking out al assad. So, when will we decide that Islamism - represented in microcosm, by Hamas - is a problem to us westerners, and not simply the Israeli's? When will people face up to the truth? After Israel is destroyed, and 20 or so years from now were dealing with Islamist aggression against the west? After a caliphate is reestablished?

None of this, by the way, is conspiracy theory. It's the simple words of Hassan Al Banna, Sayd Qutb, and other modern Islamists. None shy away from expressing their views.....to other Muslims, whom they write books for.

Call it what you want.. But research it and you will find this video historically factual; I don't agree with war of any kind.. I'm from the US and I just hate all the wars in which we've been involved; however, it is the TRUTH that arabs states and palestinians NEVER wanted and still do not recognize the right of Israel to exist... It's stupid! Jews are not going away!!! The Arabs/Palestinians can sit there with their thumb's up their @sses and ignore the elephant in the room, but the Jews are strong and will not go away!! But on the flip side.... Jews shouldn't be bullying defenseless Palestinians who want to exist peacefully either.. I didn't say military or terrorists.. I said, "peaceful Palestinians" who live among them.. and YES PEOPLE THERE ARE INNOCENT PALESTINIANS WHO WANT TO LIVE PEACEFULLY AMONG THE JEWS.. It's the Zionist Jews who believe that "only they should exist" ALSO.. I DO NOT stick up for them AT ALL.. THE ONLY SOLUTION: Get rid of all the old ways and thinking.. It's time for a new generation to take over and CLEANSE AND HEAL through new thinking and acceptance...

We all know there is 'vicious muslim bashing/hating extremism' being taught to children as well, both here and in Israel. It seems to be one of the last socially acceptable bigotries.
Extremism is extremism, and should be deplored anywhere and everywhere it raises it's head, including the extremists running/ruining Israel and North America.


On your swimsuit comment, and muslim women's dress in general, here is some food for thought:






In regard to Syria, Libya, etc - you need to look at the bigger picture.

Why are the US/NATO/Israel supporting/arming the rebels hmmm?

Perhaps they need to maintain 'boogeymen' so the 'war on terrorism' can continue unabated?

Peace does not keep the money pouring in, now does it? Could it be that they aren't actually interested in peace?

reply to post by curiouscanadian777


As for that little cartoon. What do you take from it? What's the food for thought you're trying to treat me to? Cultural relativism? So women should be allowed to be forcibly covered from head to toe, denied the right to swim without a burqa? To allow their husbands to beat them when they misbehave?

What's your cultural relativistic take on honor murders?

reply to post by dontreally



Many muslims denounce that as well, as I'm sure you're aware of.

The cartoon speaks for itself.

Quote from a muslim: "This demagoguery that to be anti islamists parties means to be anti Islam must be fiercely denounced.
Got news : one can be anti US anti imperialism anti zionist anti islamists pro justice and still be a Muslim."

reply to post by curiouscanadian777

Many muslims denounce that as well, as I'm sure you're aware of.

Who are these 'many Muslims'? It's Shari'a. Muslims kill their daughters all the time - In Muslim countries - without being penalized by the law.

In western countries, undoubtedly, the monster who kills his own child is tried and put in jail, although he believes he was perfectly within the boundaries of the law to do what he did.

The cartoon speaks for itself.

Actually it doesn't. I want to hear your own interpretation of it.

reply to post by dontreally

Ok, watched the video. No need to post it every time you want to engage in conversation with me.

Good that you watched it, although you still manage to point the finger merely in one direction. To restate your argument again and again and to vehemently repeate your opinion of what you believe are the reasons for the ongoing conflict and escalation of violence, seems to be a viable way for you to engage in conversation.

As this is an open forum, i think it was good idea to post the video twice and i hope as many people as possible watch it.

I just want to know what you mean by extremist. Because to ignore this - to not see how dangerously extreme it is, begs the question, what are your principles? and why don't you honor them?

You question my principles, interesting, but not surprising.

My father was sudanese and although he was a member of the communist party, parts of my family are muslims.
I'm well aware of the dangers of extremisim and i can find them in any shape or form in all ideologies based on fear, hate and a false sense of superiority, religion is not necessary and is definitely not the cause for extreme views.
You had to put a lot of effort into miscontrue what i said, because i clearly stated 'both sides'. Your attempt to school me on the dangers of Islamisim and your narrative "how the arabs can't be trusted" is a clear example for what i meant. You represent the other side.

But this is also where i see the solution, in people who've experienced extremisim, and all that it entails, in their own lives and were still be able to evolve beyond it.
Israeli soldiers telling their stories and are shunned as traitors, palestinian women threatened by their own people for actively participating in the peace process. These are the people who need all the support they can get. These are the people we should listen to.

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I like your avatar pic.

reply to post by talklikeapirat

To restate your argument again and again and to vehemently repeate your opinion of what you believe are the reasons for the ongoing conflict and escalation of violence, seems to be a viable way for you to engage in conversation.

This is all a run-around which doesn't lead anywhere.

Hamas' ideology is an impasse for liberals. Do you have a problem with it? Its either their way or our way - neither can coexist when the latter - the Islamists - refuse to tolerate difference.

I'm well aware of the dangers of extremisim and i can find them in any shape or form in all ideologies based on fear, hate and a false sense of superiority, religion is not necessary and is definitely not the cause for extreme views.

I'm aware of that. Communism/socialism is a great example of another extremism. But the issue is, what do you make of Hamas/Islamist extremism? How do you suggest Israel go about making peace with a party which bases its perception of you on 'the protocols of the elders of zion'?

You can't just go about saying "make peace" when there's so much ideological issues blocking the way.

You had to put a lot of effort into miscontrue what i said, because i clearly stated 'both sides'. Your attempt to school me on the dangers of Islamisim and your narrative "how the arabs can't be trusted" is a clear example for what i meant. You represent the other side.

That's clearly because the two sides are by no means "equal" in their character faults.

Describe to me what you think Zionism is, and what you would regard as 'extremist' about it?

Originally posted by itsallmaya
"For more than 10 years he taught Torah at the American Jewish University in Los Angeles"...........

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Hmmmm, I do believe that he may be a bit biased.

OK, there's your bias. I refuse to watch the video.

Originally posted by GeneralMishka
A very simple propaganda piece aimed at an uninformed audience, which is an abundant one in the USA. Just like the conflict itself, its a time proven distortion of facts, points of view and history. It preys on the weak foundation of knowledge Americans have about the conflict to manipulate an unrealistic contemporary pt of view

Everything in the video is historical fact so what is your issue with it? The only thing he really did not explain good is that tons of ancient JEWISH sites litter Israel that date thousands of years old with the few Arab ones only dating back 600 years or so. Go to Israel and see if you don't believe me. Hell just watch the Naked Archeologist as well.

Don't believe what the Satanic U.N. wants you to think. Israel would have never won three wars against all odds if God did not make it so. Sadly this war could quickly blow up into the future Gog-Magog war and millions will die. Israel can not stay conventional with Egypt, their modern American military hardware, training as well as Syria, Sudan, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Turkey and Russia trying to invade them.

Originally posted by dontreally


This is all a run-around which doesn't lead anywhere.

Finally, we agree on something.