reply to post by curiouscanadian777
Can you make out the difference between a Jewish nation state and a "vehicle" for imperialism? This is a claim which is quite popular in Islamic
countries, and obviously, it makes sense to them.
This statement just...Your sympathy for the wandering Jews just will not extend to the people who were displaced to make that home, will it?
I'm sensing that you just don't want to change your views, regardless of what I write.
I sympathize with the Jews because they've been forcibly exiled from that land. Not one day in 2000 years did they not face Jerusalem and read from
the prayer books, longing to return home.
A people needs a home; The Jews qualify in every anthropological sense for what accounts as a people: language (Hebrew), Culture, religion, history.
Now, you'll say to me, "why don't you commiserate with the Palestinians"? It's not that I don't sympathize with their sufferrings; it's just
not Israel's fault. The first war in '48 was waged by Arabs; the resulting dislocation of Arab Palestinians wasn't remedied by the governments of
Egypt or Jordan, both of which administered Gaza and the westbank. No, the problem was left to fester, left to stay alive. Is that right? Can Israel
be excoriated for what Egypt and Jordan failed to do? Then in '67, Egypt blocked the strait of Tiran - a cassus belli according to international law.
Blocking that strait meant choking off Israel's source of Iranian oil. Thus, it was economic warfare. Israel held off an attack for 3 weeks, while
the Egyptians amassed 100,000 troops at their border. So Israel carried out a preemptive strikes on Egyptian airfields. Fast forward to the end of the
war, in which Egypt, Syria and Jordan fought Israel, Israel won control of the west bank, and thus, the burden of tending to Palestinian refugees.
Its important to know that Palestinians as an 'ethnicity' or people is a very recent invention, after the '1948 war Musa Alami, an Egyptian
diplomat, propounded on the need to create a 'great myth' of a palestinian people. So before 1948, Palestinians were identical, virtually
indistinguishable in culture, ethnicity, Arabic spoken, and religion (sunni Islam) as their neighbors in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. So why should a
'made up' people, who's nationalistic fervor is very real today, be treated in the same category as Jews? That's the first question. The second
question I have to ask is, will the Palestinians ever live in peace with Israel? Neither Fatah - who won't recognize a JEWISH state, and Hamas -
which won't recognize any non-Islamic state - are willing partners in building a Jewish state. Israelis are understandably frightened that if they
were to trust the blandishments of palestinians for peace, that this would just be another ruse to gain sovereignty in areas where the IDF currently