Anonymous takes down over 650 Israeli sites

reply to post by ISeekTruth101

its relevant because its paint a good picture of if its a fair fight and whos the agressor

Who ever said it was a fair fight? Certainly not you. I never said it was a fair fight. But what difference does that make? Iran is in the corner of Hamas and Iran has ties to Russia, which is in my opinion still on shaky ground with US since the Cold War. Israel is our only ally in the Middle East now, as Obama has abolished every pro Western tie in the region and in North Africa, and facilited the Muslim Brotherhood.

Originally posted by UltraMarine
reply to post by khimbar

 

Actually there is war going on to Down that Website as part of #opmossad . Few Minutes back it was Down but they recovered the site .

I'll give Anonymous this much...whoever it is using the generic name this time....they have guts. They have MAJOR guts. I mean you could spend a lifetime hacking the Pentagon and CIA mainframes and the worst you'll likely ever get for it is prison time. Club Fed with perks for that level of non-violence. Maybe even a nasty prison if you made someone important look like a fool by it. Maybe...

On the other hand, Israel doesn't arrest threats to it's national interests. It puts a bullet in their heads. Anywhere in the world....as past history has shown. They simply kill their problems and do it with extreme prejudice. I recall a number of years back they were caught red handed running an assassination operation in Jordan. They have a well earned reputation for this.

So... Of all the targets on Earth to attack and during a time of conflict, Israel is probably the single most dangerous to a hacker personally. Israel could take years to finish it too. They have on other matters. So the hacker today will have to watch over their shoulder for years into the future.

Fair enough...on that point, I do give the guys using the name some real credit....assuming they've thought it out that far for what is coming after them when the dust settles a bit.

Originally posted by ISeekTruth101
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

im not pro hamas, your putting words into my mouth, typical pro israeli tactics right there....

its relevant because its paint a good picture of if its a fair fight and whos the agressor, so dont act like it doesnt matter, because that is non-sense.....keep posting boring articles.....they mean nothing. ill stick to hard line facts that even the united nations are aware off......

Well what part of the UN is the seat of the New World Order don't you get? Are you for the NWO? Seems like it maybe. Perhaps I am wrong about you. The articles I post are boring to you because they don't support your worldview. Hard Line facts? If so then why did you word your post as if Israel is just a military operation against a sovereign country? You completely failed to point out the Iranian control of Hamas, and therefore Iranian control of the Gaza Strip.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Interesting point about the possible retaliation. Which brings to mind, are they really just a loosely knit bunch of hackers ? Are they a faction of anti-war people with few morals and anarchistic tendencies?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

On the other hand, Israel doesn't arrest threats to it's national interests. It puts a bullet in their heads. Anywhere in the world....as past history has shown. They simply kill their problems and do it with extreme prejudice

Ok, first of all, Israel addresses threats according to the nature of the party threatening them.

In the middle east, the routines of a liberal democracy don't count for much, sad to say. Thus, political assassinations are the only effective method for dealing with enemies of the state.

But in America, or Europe, when has Israel ever "put a bullet in their head"?? Why are you making such claims? They resort to democratic measures in such countries. This is merely political realism.

Israel simply reciprocates the methods their enemies use against them. Since power is what reigns supreme in the Islamic paradigm, Israel resorts to power; it doesn't pretend to imagine that democratic methods will account for anything to them. That's simply REALISM.

Members of anonymous don't have anything to fear about getting "a bullet in their head". At worse, they will be counter-hacked, or have other government agencies working on finding out where they're from and arrest them for aiding and abetting terrorist organizations (which is against American/British/Canadian/Australian/German/French law)

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


They are clearly socialist anarchists. Just like all the other socialist anarchists, they are against Israel because Israel represents a trend - nationalism - which opposes socialist 'pan-humanists' interests.

reply to post by dontreally

Well, I have to note quickly here that it sounds like you may have mistaken my message to be condemning the tactic of targeted assassination. I honestly have no problem with it under some circumstances. Very limited circumstances perhaps, but it sure beats going to war. Saddam comes to mind...as do a couple in Afghanistan. Whole wars could have been averted by the practice....very selectively.

Now it's simply not true to say Israel has not assassinated people in Europe. Of course it has. The campaign most easily pointed to for proof has had movies and books made about it. The hunt of the surviving members of Black September after Munich didn't just happen in the Middle East. There is another case where I have no problem with the tactic. It was well earned by the group that was eliminated by it.

I never saw the modern movie about it but there is an old one from the 70's or 80's that really took a balanced look at that revenge campaign and the toll it took on the guys who did it as well as the ones they hunted down and killed to a person. The non-fiction books are the most informative tho and I'd guess that one campaign put a chill on more future attacks than anything else could have.

The Jordan disaster made big news at the time and I'm surprised you wouldn't recall it....

A former senior mossad official has told the Yedioth Ahronoth weekend magazine "7 Days" he was instructed to save the life of Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal following an Israeli assassination attempt in Jordan in 1996.

Mishka Ben David says he had just finished a stint as head of the Mossad's intelligence wing in Jordan when the plan to kill Mashaal was hatched and was about to take a partial study leave of absence when he was asked to play a part in a mission that was to cause one of the deepest Israeli-Jordanian political crises ever.

Source

That actually was the same Netanyahu as Israel's prime minister for that action as is leading the nation today. So the tactic being used again wouldn't even be all that far out of precedent, under the circumstances. The Guardian UK also has a lengthy piece from 2010 about a Dubai assassination which they use to really go into detail about the width and breadth of Israel's use of that tactic.

The question I'd imagine would come down to this... Are the people using the Anonymous name (and that can be anyone...anyone at all really) at the moment being truly effective at harming Israel's national or military interests? If no...heck, I doubt Israel even bothers to properly acknowledge anything else happened from any of it. If yes? Err... Yeah... The world isn't all that big a place, IMO.

reply to post by jimmyx


Who said that? And btw, most people that are yelling at Israel, are not yelling at the whole Jewish community. They're mostly mad at Zionists. This tactic of calling someone a "Jew hater" or anti-Semite because they disagree with Israel's actions is merely a escape mechanism to avoid the truth.

Yeah, all of us that oppose Zionism are "Jew Haters". Right tell that to these orthodox Jews who protest Zionism.

Man, these orthodox Jews are soooooo anti-Semitic!

I'll not get too deeply into the fact that Netanyahu has been saying for MONTHS that they will attack Iran with or without help, and then ever-so-conveniently they start getting attacked by Hamas. I'm sure that is entirely coincidence. And I'm certain there's no way any nation would ever stage something like this, as pretext for military action. .


Here is an idea I've had. I'm sure many would find flaws in it. Especially those who are gung-ho supporters of either side of this stupid little mess. But I think it would be a somewhat novel solution:


1- Give the Jews complete control over the Temple mount. Let them re-build their temple, and have complete control of this area. Yes, this would be a sacrifice on the part of Muslims, as this is a holy site of theirs as well. However, this is not their MOST holy site. That is Mecca. However, this is THE #1 holy site for Jews. As a concession, Muslims could even be allowed to go there for religious reasons... then....

2- In exchange for being nice about point number one, the Jews allow Muslims to live in Palestine, and cease all further war or argument over territory.

3- Peace?


But of course, this will never happen, because both sides are stubborn as hell, both sides feel like they're on some kind of "holy mission," and both sides feel like they have not only some kind of "right" to the area, but bitterness over past bloodshed, etc etc etc.

IMO if there were such thing as a "true religion," I think both parties here are making a VERY POOR case for theirs being the one.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Well, I have to note quickly here that it sounds like you may have mistaken my message to be condemning the tactic of targeted assassination. I honestly have no problem with it under some circumstances. Very limited circumstances perhaps, but it sure beats going to war. Saddam comes to mind...as do a couple in Afghanistan. Whole wars could have been averted by the practice....very selectively.

I'm only informing you of Israel's policy of political realism, a policy which has taken on premium status in the Natanyahu government.

Each paradigm prescribes how Israel should deal with the party in question. Because in Islamic country, power and force is the be-all-end-all of ethics, and liberal democracy seems to have difficulty catching on, particularly in Sunni countries, Israel has no choice but to resort to effective methods. For example, it's been suggested, "why not arrest terrorists"? Why, instead of bombing terrorist locations, doesn't Israel just go in and apprehend the parties they suspect of misconduct? Would it mean anything? Would someone living in the mini statlet of Gaza submit himself to Israeli law?

In short, Israel faces an extremely difficult enemy. This enemy doesn't easily appreciate the values of a liberal democracy; quite the contrary, his views correspond to the fascist approach of Nazism than the British or American approach of liberalism. Thus, harsher methods are needed in dealing with them.

Now it's simply not true to say Israel has not assassinated people in Europe. Of course it has.

Are you referring to Islamists? or basic Europeans?

I'm simply saying Israel wouldn't waste it's resources on assassinating hackers when other agencies could simply compile evidence and arrest them. . Besides, since Israel is on good terms, or shares a basic culture, with the countries of the west, it's in their interest to carry out matters in a democratic fashion, and so not assassinate people willy nilly.

As to the question, are the hackers succeeding in disrupting Israel's activities? If they are, I'd imagine Mossad would contact the CIA, FBI, CSIS, etc to apprehend these people and bring them to justice.

44 million hacking attempts on Israel in the last four days since they started bombing civilians.

5000 officials have had their details spilled, major databases have been deleted, hundreds of websites have suffered SQL injections and DDOS bombardments.



And for all those fools who say anonymous are incapable. This is one of the biggest cyber defence rallies in human history. No longer will people tolerate white phosphorous attacks on children, no longer will the world stand by as Israeli troops bombard streets with cluster bombs or use children as human shields.

reply to post by dontreally

You could be right about not wasting the resources. Given that "Anonymous" is nothing but 9 letters strung together as an umbrella term, this hacking could as easily be from nation states as it could be well intentioned activists. I don't know but I'm sure they have the tech to make that distinction and start back tracking things. Given the life expectancy of the average Iranian Nuclear Scientist in recent years, I wouldn't want to be among the hackers that actually scores a damaging strike in this case. Time will tell though...

As far as Europe, I meant chasing terrorists and Europe just happens to be where many go to base their activities and work from. I don't know of anything in the US, but then I doubt that would be news unless something went horribly wrong in a high profile way.

If given the choice and reason to think it would be effective, I have little doubt Israel would choose arrest and prosecution over killing. I don't see them as some do....just more ruthless when they have to be than most nations are willing to be in the modern age. Then again though, how many other nations are facing the fact thrown at them repeatedly that losing a war will mean the annihilation of everything they have and are. Heck, even World War II was never about total obliteration of any of the warring nations. That does put Israel in a unique position for how they fight, IMO.

reply to post by dontreally


Ironic isn't it that Lenin, Trotsky and Marx, the fathers of socialism and communism, were all jewish or of jewish descent.

S+F!

It's Mossad/CIA, they need an excuse to shut down the Internet in Gaza so as the reality of what's happening there does not come out. Israel have been destroying all of the media in Gaza over the last few days, so as they cannot report the imminent atrocities.

reply to post by drbatstein


Well thats what makes todays technology great, the media is handheld cellphones.

And Israel needs to be dealt with, they need to be put in their place, they need to be held accountable for 9/11.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by golemina
I'm sorry... I hope I didn't insert too much REALITY into this little discussion.

No, none at all as far as I can see, you're safe.

Speaking of "reality" -

Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai says "the goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for 40 years," according to Israel's Haaretz website.

So Israel screams that this is about precision strikes against "militants" to the rest of the world, and then their Interior Minister openly states to Israeli press that their real goal is to bomb them back to the middle ages?

I hope I didn't give you too much reality there, I know defenders of the regime hate having to respond to the truth.

I have no problem responding to this.

If a group of people elect a known terrorist regime as their f-cking government, knowing full well that the sole purpose of that regime is to try and destroy Israel by constantly initiating violence and trying to murder civilians, than those people shouldn't be surprised when Israel responds by destroying their terrorist infrastructure.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Here's the thing, though: Anonymous has taken up the mantle of a vigilante organization. When that happens, the inevitable questions are -

Does this group think it's above the law?

Does this group have morals we feel comfortable with?

Where does this group draw the line?

Can we count on it to do what's right, even when it wants to do otherwise?

How do we know this group is legitimate, and not a cover?

How do we know this group won't eventually work for itself, rather than the people?

Vigilante groups scare me. They can be useful, but they're also unstable. Do you want a rabid dog to guard your family?

Fantastic questions.

Anon has done a number of good and bad things. The power and knowledge they have is scary, and I do not know who's side they are on. Like you asked, are they working for themselves?

reply to post by christina-66

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by dontreally

 

Ironic isn't it that Lenin, Trotsky and Marx, the fathers of socialism and communism, were all jewish or of jewish descent.

Where's the irony though?

There has been a very long tradition of intellectualism amongst jews. Think of all the scientists forced to flee from Europe earlier in the last century; for example, Albert Einstein, Max Born, and Sigmond Freud. Plenty of famous artists to be found with Jewish ancestry also.

Karl Marx himself was not a practicing Jew, and it seems unlikely his family were either. Lenin cared only that he was Russian, and his own biography mentions only his Swedish and German family background. It was a sister who wrote of an additional Jewish background in the family. Trotsky's family although of Jewish heritage were reportedly not religious. Trotsky himself was proudly internationalist and extremely outspoken on his view that nation statehood was the problem and not the answer to world conflicts. He was the head of the Fourth International, and expelled from Russia and ultimately assassinated under Stalin's orders for his perspective.

Socialism has been around for centuries before the three giants you mention redefined it. It was socialism that gave expression to the French Revolution, well before Marx.

Not sure what all that has to do with Anonymous and their attack on the Zionist state, except maybe, to underline that Zionism does not equate with being a jew. One is a political ideology, the other an inherited culture and tradition. Religion is a part of that culture and tradition, but obviously does not define it. Anyway, just my 2 cents worth only.

I'm afraid no amount of peaceful resistance will result in any change. It's gotten to the point where we will have to take back what is ours by force. By action. This is the beginning..

Expect Us.