reply to post by Humanity4Ever
Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
If that's your response, you obviously don't understand the term ethnic cleansing.
Actually, YOUR response shows you havent the required understanding of the term. If you did, you would know that although you can find a neat
description of ethnic cleansing on many humanitarian sites, you will not find a codified and complete description in the only place that matters.
That place of course, is the International Criminal Court. Even thier lawbooks are vauge and unhelpful when attempting to aquire a proper description
of this crime. Some in the UN think that it should be simply bunched together with the term genocide, and others believe that there ought to be a more
complex (and therefore harder to prove) description. The preference for the more complex description of course, means that since it is harder to
prove, the ICC can be given a more mobile hand in dealing with it. Unfortunately this might not be a good thing, because it often means one thing for
one group of accused parties, and a totaly different thing for another.
However, you cannot deny that Israels various military organisations have done the following things:
1)It has forcibly ejected, over many years, huge numbers of Palestinian non-combatants from thier homes, businesses, and land.
2)It has looted vast quantities of religiously and culturally significant items from the people it displaced.
3)It has done these things via not just the threat of violence, but indeed has performed massacres when it encountered resistance.
4)It has also killed by either design or brutal lack of concern, people from various nations who have protested, and/or acted to prevent such actions
on the part of the Israeli government, and its military.
These are all facts, a matter of historical record. You may not have come across them, but they are none the less part of history, and not up for
debate. With these facts in mind, it is important to realise that the currently accepted versions of the description of ethnic cleansing, include
reference to the displacement of people from thier homes, and businesses, and lands, by either threat of violence, or the use of it. They also include
reference to the taking of trophies and possessions from those who are being displaced.
I believe that it is only the ICC's lack of ability, or desire, to comprehensively describe what is, and what is not ethnic cleansing, that allows
Israel to continue its DECADES long campaign against the Palestinians. I believe that if the ICC were forced to codify the law on this matter, then
Israels leadership, going back quite some time, would be up before that court, and tried over thier behavior.
Now, to clarify one other thing.
I believe that Israel has a right to DEFEND itself against attack. Any nation has that right, and its leadership have that responsibility to thier
people. That point has never been in question.
However,the Israelis are the worlds foremost designers and manufacturers of anti missile technology, and for ten years now, they have had the
technology to make thier borders absolutely, one hundred and ten percent missile safe. The reason they have not installed the infalliable systems that
they have created there, is that they could not justify thier outrageous, over the top, senselessly brutal and inexcuseable treatment of the
Palestinian civillian population, thier expansions or any of thier other barbarisms, without the "threat" of rocket attack as a political device to
accumulate sympathy and understanding.
The responses to the frankly minimal threat posed by Palestinian rockets have been largely devastating, and utterly uncompromising, despite the fact
that the reason that they are under threat has rather less to do with Palestine, or its residents (combatant or not), than it has to do with the
Israeli governments desire to appear as if they are merely preventing the death of thier citizens, by piling up the bodies of the citizens of
Because Israel have the capacity to make themselves safe WITHOUT killing Palestinian civillians, the fact that they continue to do so, cannot be
explained without resorting to discussing the possibility that the Israeli government are STILL in the process of ethnically cleansing as much of
Palestine as they can.
Another thing to say is that killing one terrorist with a airstrike might be effective, but it causes far too much collateral damage, something which
I for one protest about, no matter who does it, or why.
If you cannot take a target cleanly, then you shouldnt be taking it at all. Its not right when Israel do it, when the US do it,or when the UK does
it. It is a pointless, and avoidable situation to put ones national honour in, and those that order it, and perform it, should be bloody well ashamed
I have no hatred for Israel, the nation, or Israel the people. Its governments behavior, callous as it is though? That I hate.
17-11-2012 by TrueBrit because: Add reply line.