Originally posted by HabiruThorstein
reply to post by TrueBrit
You're not going to ever find anything written by me placing the Israeli government above criticism, quite the reverse. Yet none of what you've put
forth has anything to do with refuting my original assertion which is a simple answer to the question posed at the start of thread.
"Why the hatred for Israelis?"
The question as asked, is not answered in anything like fullsome terms by your so called answer. In a quiz, you answer would recieve no points, and
possibly loose you the Harrods hamper and bottle of Chiraz grand prize, because it is false. There is no hatred of Israelis in the context of the
question being asked, and the times in which it has been posed. The hatred that people have expressed in recent times is directed solely toward the
military actions, and murderous leadership of the nation, and has nothing to do with the population of the nation as a whole.
There is anti-semitism, which is hatred of Jews, based on thier religious beliefs and, when displayed amongst people of white, european extraction, is
a hold over from Nazism, which, in all fairness should have been burned off the face of creation like a cancer from flesh, when it first raised its
head. However, that hate is expressed not toward Israel, but toward Jews as a whole, and is therefore largely a seperate issue to the contemporary one
being discussed here.
Now, Israeli citizenship is not restricted just to Jews, there are even Arab Knesset members. I never calimed it was homogenous. But here's a litmus
test for you, ask a random someone to name a Christian nation, then ask someone to name an Islamic Nation, or a Buddhist nation. You'll get multiple
answers to each. Ask someone to name a Jewish nation, there will be one and only one answer, Israel. Bashing Israel is an easy out for anti-Semites to
bash away at Jews without having to admit their prejudice.
Yes, it probably would be an easy out for such a vile cretin, but luckily, that mindset accounts for a small minority of peoples attitudes, and is NOT
responsible for the large outrage currently being poured toward Israels leadership as a direct result of thier evil behavior, and lack of concern for
human lives on both thier own territory and that of thier neighbors.
Are those who consistently find fault with Israel all anti-Semitic? I've never said that, but as to whether it's a minority or a majority, I don't
claim to read minds.
Let me do it for you then. There is no doubt that amongst peoples in developed nations, the vast majority of people who have trouble with Israel are
not anti-semites but humanitarians. They are not terrorist supporters one and all, nor nazis and haters of that kind. They are people who see what is
happening and know a crock of crap when they see one, in the vast majority.
I do know a recent White House pool reporter who had been bashing Israel for years in print finally got caught expressing her true opinions of Jews in
a less formal environment. She had been couching her anti-semitism under the mantra of reasonable criticism of the Israeli government for over 40
years.Some get caught, some don't. I honestly don't see what your problem is with admitting the fact that anti-Semitism finds an outlet in bashing
Israel amongst other forms. It's just simply true. Doesn't mean Israel is perfect, just means that some people are going to bash Israel no matter
what because they hate Jews and associate Israel with Jews. I'm not certain I can be any clearer.
edit on 21-11-2012 by HabiruThorstein because: grammar
I have no problem admitting that there are terrible pieces of human waste out there, who have thoughts not befitting thier status as human beings that
run toward the unreasoning hatred of Jews. I should know, my grandfathers fought the the Nazi scum and piled up thier carcasses in droves. I was
taught as a child, by them, to identify and harrass any person behaving in such a manner, because thier nature is such that they will destroy us all
if they gain power, as they attempted to before.
But it is misguided to use that as an answer to the question at hand, because this period of pointless destruction, as with other times in Israels
history, causes anger which has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with simple elements of right and wrong. Just as anti-semites need
to stop hiding behind reasonable arguments, Israel must stop hiding behind the skirts of those who abuse and hate Jews, in order to deflect all
argument against thier way of "defending" themselves, and its horrific effects on innocent non combatants. Even MENTIONING anti-semitism in this
arena now is utterly pointless in the face of that.