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Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by 1NEO001
Surely , you have to agree that more good has been done than bad when considering religion. Surtanly no reason to abolish it?
I think as a species we need to grow up and act our age and that means we should discard the stories we were brought up on. We can keep the lessons we learned but there is no need to hold on to superstations.
When speaking about more good being done than harm are you speaking of one religion or all religion?
When taking into account all religions at this time in the world do you think they divide or unite us?
When considering all of history with religion can you name any other force that has caused more war, devastation, and death?
Have you considered how much religion has halted progress in our history and continues to until this day?
I do not think we can abolish religion that would be forcing something on others just like religion has been forced on many throughout history. I guess I am hoping we can consciously evolve past it.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by charles1952
I have done a little bit of traveling in my life and I have noticed the further removed a deity is from a culture the less we as humans act as invasive species to the environment. Generally we will live more in harmony with nature instead of conquering it with deities out of the picture. A good example would be those peace loving Buddhists. I am sure there have been Buddhist murderers same as we have had them but they tend to not start wars and instead worshiping a deity they dedicate themselves to learning a man’s teachings. Some have even said that in the Christian faith that Christ was a Buddhist because the teachings are so similar.
I will try to explain these two in one example. Listing all the ways science has been held back would take a very long time.
I am sorry but can you please provide a list of all the ways (documentation a must because otherwise I would be forced to have faith in you) religion is holding us back?
How do you define being held back?
“God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell.
James Inhofe Says the Bible Refutes Climate Change
No I cannot I am not very familiar with it but I will say I prefer antibiotics over the idea of them and the surgeries I have had were not going to heal with a placebo.
Can you please explain the placebo effect for me and how chemical and/or physical stimuli has less of an effect than the mere belief of being treated?
And finally what actions are you taking to bring about the world you desire to live in?
China has been deeply entrenched in deity’s through much of history at points even believing the ruling class to be Gods and Russia is a combination of faiths where many went underground they were also plagued by superstition. I also in previous posts said I do not believe in forcing people to give up religion the same way I do not condone forcing religion on others both carry consequences.
*cough cough Soviet Russia *cough Commie China *ehherrrmmmm
Anyone want to come pick some cherries with me?
An earlier text by the historian Ammianus Marcellinus indicates that the library was destroyed in the time of Julius Caesar; whatever books might earlier have been housed at the Serapeum were no longer there in the last decade of the 4th century (Historia 22, 16, 12-13).
The pagan author Eunapius of Sardis witnessed the demolition, and though he detested Christians, and was a scholar, his account of the Serapeum's destruction makes no mention of any library.
Although popular images of controversy continue to exemplify the supposed hostility of Christianity to new scientific theories, studies have shown that Christianity has often nurtured and encouraged scientific endeavour, while at other times the two have co-existed without either tension or attempts at harmonization. If Galileo and the Scopes trial come to mind as examples of conflict, they were the exceptions rather than the rule.
— Gary Ferngren, Science & Religion
Today, much of the scholarship in which the conflict thesis was originally based is considered to be inaccurate. For instance, the claim that people of the Middle Ages widely believed that the Earth was flat was first propagated in the same period that originated the conflict thesis and is still very common in popular culture. Modern scholars regard this claim as mistaken, as the contemporary historians of science David C. Lindberg and Ronald L. Numbers write: "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference."
Other misconceptions such as: "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages," "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science," and "the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of the natural sciences," are all reported by Numbers as examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, even though they are not supported by current historical research. They help maintain the popular image of "the warfare of science and religion."
Originally posted by Temperance13
reply to post by Grimpachi
Religion does not hold people back. We are not controlled by our faith, but rather we try to control ourselves through our faith. I am Catholic, not because I was or am brainwashed, but because after 7 years of studying, I found that I agreed with most of the teachings.