reply to post by charles1952
"I wont attack anyone over my beliefs,true some will."
This is only one part of your post so I want to be clear that it doesnt represent everything you are saying.
That said,this is a perfect example of how religon has been used to seperate humanity,this is the one single area where we are thrown off course
completely.You CANNOT ever attack anyone over their beliefs.Under any doctrine,EVER.
Humanitarian concern must be the single catalyst of any organised relgon or it is by proxy non-humanitarian.
How could anyone with a humanitarian concer support diversity of beliefs that encompasses at any level attacking another human being---in fact
immediate rejection of anything like this is a natural reaction,for what powers would we ignore our natural humanitarian concerns??
There has never been a battle of dietys because we exist in a cumulative reality which we all manifest together---nothing was preexisting,no dietys
were pre-existing us.We created every single one.
There have been wars through history which have been supported by humans using their religous beliefs as catalysts of the conflict,as support for
aggression based on survival of a doctrine,not of human beings,fighting for your survival is fine but doing it itn the name of a diety is not
fine,initiating survival based on humanitarian right of existance is natural,screaming the name of an imaginary diety as you behead another human is
worshipping an imaginary power that you actually manifest through this action.
Battle for your existance without imaginary dietys and you will only battle for true survival,and here on earth there is not and never has been room
to do that against other humans,our cumulative battle has ALWAYS been with nature and the universe,our fight for survival is not against each other
,it never was and cannot ever be.
Science supports a battle against nature that brings us to a universal reality which supercededs on every level all doctrines ever tacticly concieved
by a human mind.
Religons historical battle to supress knowledge and science to keep itself alive is a HISTORICAL wrong,but over the centuries religon because it is
catalysed by human minds has always morphed and changed and adjusted and survived to live another day.
Religon is not a THING with sentient rights to survival,it is an imaginary idea which we strive to manifest in our physical reality,it is not a
possible thing to do,it is a constant and permanent work in progress,it is only our continued organised efforts to maintain this cerebral imaginary
concept which keeps the idea alive.
There is no war to ever be had with an idea,ever,religon is under no threat of death or dissolution ,none whatsoever,it simply cannot ever be so
because it is simply an IDEA a shared IDEA,hence any religon that posesses resources and power that is in any way even indirectly related to
interference in Humanitys progressive path into the universal reality we all exist within must be given amnesty within conflicts between us if there
must be conflicts,this amnesty is critical because without it the killing will completely destroy humanity and simply leave ideas or idetys ,do you
see??Without us here the ideas cannot exist,hence your common sense can tell you how and why religons were first catalysed within the human
consciousness.Religons were catalysed to make it possible for humans to battle and kill each other with no checks and balances,we are told the
opposite that without religons we would kill each other on a global scale,this is obviously backwards.
The first cave men who realised there was competition for resources found it necessary to compete with each other in nature,because there was a
NATURAL instinct to PRESERVE all human life they didnt find this an easy thing to do,so they simply made up ideologies that encouraged and supported
this resource based competition,like taking a drug before a fight ,cerebral steroids that override the mental checks and balances we are ALL born
This is a sales job,spin-doctoring,and it is out of control.
All religons are catalysed by the same dynamic,human survival,but because there was never anything other than ourselves to direct this survival
instinct at we needed to create our own discension.There came a time in history when we were able to take care of our needs fully,but then dynamics
were engineered to create division amogst us via an artificially contrived sense of need for resources based on hidden greed, each growing group
eventually came to the same dynamic point of using this tactic to in a non-humanitarian manner to support this greed which then catalysed humanitys
path,when one man saw the storerooms full and realised that the surplus could be used to manipulate and enslave other humans,based on a have /have not
mentality---religon evolved into a self propogating entity wherever it had numerical human support,this is non-humanitarian thinking and it wasnt
squashed back then,it was instead supported and entrenched,by a very few humans,and then this power was handed down over centuries and centuries.
Religon is not anyones enemy,it is an imaginary belief system that CANNOT exist on any level anywhere if science exists,there can only be one,this has
been the current basis of religous struggles since the beginning,science and nature lead us to the same reality based picture,religon cannot exist on
that pallette,and because of this we see continued conflicts and wars,it isnt us fighting each other it is imaginary ideas entrenched and armed over
centuries of spin-doctoring archaic survival based concepts originating from a need for food shelter and water,this imaginary concept has been using
us as pawns to fight each other so the idea itself may have a reality to remain in the way it has historicly survived.
We cannot control humans wishes to create ideologys,we just cannot let those ideologies morph into entitys of and within themselves as has been
The church and state have always been synonymous,but this was just to fool people into dieing for the state,creating an unrealistic imaginary reason
and justification to kill other humans for resources,there are even rewards incorporated into most ideologies.
This is the history we have to deal with,this cannot be changed,it can be rewritten if knowledge is suppressed,but if knowledge is freely shared then
the truth is revealed,and it shows us we need to PROTECT relgous freedon by DISARMING and DISENFRANCHISING all religons that are self-propogating.The
risk we take there is that if we discover a foe in the universe greter than ourselves we will NEED this tactic again.
In the bottom of my heart I feel that the first humans who catalysed religon were fighting a battle for survival we are not aware of with a foe so
strong that we needed to catalyse our fight for survival in a place it couldnt be accessed,in our heads and hearts,I seem to feel that humanity
catalysed this greater power concept as a survival tactic not against each other BUT for each other,we just dont have the full story,its like a truce
was signed we dont know about and the history is hidden from us,or a battle was won using this ideology,not a WAR but a battle,and we have refused to
lay down our weapons.
My instincts tell me religons were designed for tactical militray reasons and not for use AGAINST each other,but the opposite to empower us to
challenge the universe for our place in natures ballet.
There is the historicl potential for religon to have already accomplished a task we cant even imagine and then its true power and tangibility were
taken to pieces and stored for future use,its may just be that because the original ideas were of course catalysed and manifested by the human mind
that over history many humans have found these pieces and experimented and used them for their own individual and small special intrest group
designs.This does not however supercede the fact that all religons are pieces of the same great humanitarian sword which I believe one day soon will
be weilded on behalf of all of humanity with a 100% humanitarian focus and intent.If just ten men decided to allow the natural assimilation of their
major doctrines based on a 100% humanitarian origin with the agreed understanding that together WE ALL CUMULATIVELY CREATE god[lower case
"g"intentionally out of respect for humanity not disrespect for our ideas] and with the ideal that THIS CUMULATIVE HUMANITARIAN IDEOLOGY IS WORTHY OF
PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION,and with the understanding that humans will never weild this sword upon humans---we need a universal context at this point
to allow religons to do as nature intended them to do to protect and preserve humanity in a universal sense.We need a way to make religous
perspectives speak the same language again,and I believe we have this ability now,all around us,we just need to use integrity and honesty,we must
DEMAND INTEGRITY AND HONESTY.Show us life on Mars or the moon or anywhere and you instantly catalyse 6 billion humans ,you instantly show each and
every one the meaning and value of a cumulative secular mindset.And you lay upon the hip of humanity the sheath of the greatest protection we can
manifest in the universe--the Humanitarian Sword of Integrity.
Seriously,we already have much evidence of life in the universe,so we are preoccupied with fighting to keep this fact and reality alive in the face of
great multi-front and incorrectly catalysed suppression by MANY doctrines for the same reasons,release to the masses of this data will catalyse
humanity beyond their particular religon and bring them all together in a single year.
I believe that if religon is properly understood and approached with 100% integrity it will continue to exist and protect humanity far into the
future,but I fear that if there isnt soon a catalyst of this change,meaning a single man or woman to be the spark that we may see humanity become
fractured,because religons have MATURED and evolved to a new place we havent seen before,a new universal perspective,we need to tune them all in to
the same humanitarian station now.
With free data access and exchange we are EMPOWERED as a SPECIES,we break the conventional bounds of our potentiality.I read on the net that people
are beginning to learn how to download genetic directions into our bodies,directions that free our bodies to "reset"on a DNA level,to take us back to
the original blueprints we were created from.This could mean that we will soon see many tacticly adjusted DNA codes that have been manipulated
removed,things like telepathy and instant communication with each other globally--our lifespans may increase tenfold,disease may simply be eradicated
by walking through a simple room,soon our pineal glands may be allowed to keep functioning beyond childhood and we will become lifelong learners of a
heretofore unimaginable scale.
But all of these changes do not remove the potential positives of religon,in fact they reinforce this need and encourage us to rexamine our universal
mindset---we just suddenly give ourselves an entire universe to search for our origins within,and we are allowed to use a humanitarian interpretation
of god as the steed we ride in that great quest and as that mighty sword we carry on our hip as we learn and grow.We just arent allowed to treat god
as a humanitarian reality,we cannot humanise an ideology,we must use a tool as a tool and and not forsake it but understand it to be what it is.
Of Humanity,Through Humanity,For Humanity.
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