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The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by ken10
So I give you facts, with sources, and then you accuse me of making it up
It's posts like these which deserve deletion. They sully this site with a type of anti-intellectualism that should turn any intelligent and educated poster off from engaging in conversation.
Worse of all, I know you realize that you're being facetious in order to dishevel me and troll the thread with nonsense.
Someone who is sincere should be logically able to take in that information that I gave, and modify their earlier position.edit on 18-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)
Since Hamas makes living so difficult for Israelis, the Israelis have every moral and justifiable right to attempt to do something significant about Hamas.
Soldiers who serve in the Territories witness and participate in military actions which change them immensely. Cases of abuse towards Palestinians, looting, and destruction of property have been the norm for years, but are still explained as extreme and unique cases.
Our testimonies portray a different, and much grimmer picture in which deterioration of moral standards finds expression in the character of orders and the rules of engagement, and are justified in the name of Israel's security. While this reality is known to Israeli soldiers and commanders, Israeli society continues to turn a blind eye, and to deny that what is done in its name.
Breaking the Silence
According to your logic, the Palestinian people in Gaza and the Westbank are also only exercising their moral and justifiable right to defend themselves and the ends justify the means. But this way the violence will continue indefinitely. Fortunately, more and more people trying to break the cycle from within.
This proposition is at odds with with the widely held view that Arab hatred of Jews was or is nourished primarily by concrete experiences with Zionism or Israeli politics. Instead, it assumes, that Islamists will be sure to find their obsession confirmed by whatever Zionism or the Israeli government does or does not do.
Thus, actual Zionist actions have never been really relevant to the Muslim Brothers’ and the Mufti’s Jew hatred. To this day, Islamists remain indifferent to the real Israel. They do not want to influence it’s government and it’s people by political action. Only in fantasized form, as the embodiment of pure evil, does the Jewish state serve the function ascribed to it. – Mattias Kuntzel, Jihad and Jew Hatred: Islamism, Nazism, and roots of 9/11. pg. 100, Telos Press