Originally posted by Jaellma
reply to post by karl 12
Great post Karl12. Any reports of private pilots and pictures or camera footage from them of UFOs?
Originally posted by gort51
No answers yet....Why does the USA have so many AFB's, secret ranges, etc etc in the Western deserts of the US? I could imagine one or 2, but they seem to have dozens.....Why?
Originally posted by IsaacKoi
The item below on the Project 1947 website (run by Jan Aldrich) has a few potential leads on this topic:
Task 1: Find Gun Camera films of UFOs. Gun Camera films are known to exist on several cases and a list needs to be compiled. Bellefontaine, Ohio case had several stills of g/c films released to True Magazine. Wisconsin film is dark. Remarkable Arizona g/c films for 1953 is unknown and in Barry Greenwood's possession. Shown on NOVA, they gave no details and only used it as a curiosity.
(Several other incidents concerning gun camera films are mentioned in Blue Book records or by former Air Force officers.)
Which makes it very difficult to establish what exactly is going on?
Let me play you a different scenario. One of my interests is future technology and as a result I keep looking at what we have now and the trends and where they may be going.
The curves are all swinging upward fairly rapidly. So we look at what we know about the technology we are using for surveillance, just the USA, not other countries, what we do and what we know and the kind of surveillance we can do. There is no doubt in my mind that today if not many times over the past fifty years we have had the surveillance capabilities to completely monitor the activities of certain UFO flights –and know exactly when they’re going, where they’re going, how they’re going, where they appear form and leave to, all the characteristics about them – we have radar based devices that will not only show the distance, direction and azimuth of an object and all that but will also how shape. We have devices the army has developed for tracking projectiles – they check the acoustic wave and when something crosses over they can immediately track that data and go back to the source. That’s how they track where a mortar is or a howitzer. We can use that same technology – and its portable – for tracking UFOs.
I don’t believe any of these things fly over our country today without being known and if somebody wanted the UFO mystery to completely disappear they could in five minutes release enough data to show exactly what’s going on and is not going on.
That means (1) somebody knows and we don’t know. (2) Somebody monitors and we can’t tap into it. So we as little peon citizens at the mercy of when this happens and nobody is going to tell us..
An Interview with John F. Schuessler, Executive Director of MUFON (Mutual UFO Network)
Originally posted by easynow
However one things for sure ... if the US Military, NRO etc. has imagery (and they do) it's a safe bet the Russians also have it as well
"Observations show that UFOs behave 'sensibly.' In a group formation flight, they maintain a pattern. They are most often spotted over airfields, atomic stations and other very new engineering installations. On encountering aircraft, they always maneuver so as to avoid direct contact. A considerable list of these seemingly intelligent actions gives the impression that UFOs are investigating, perhaps even reconnoitering... The important thing now is for us to discard any preconceived notions about UFOs and to organize on a global scale a calm, sensation-free and strictly scientific study of this strange phenomenon. The subject and aims of the investigation are so serious that they justify all efforts. It goes without saying that international cooperation is vital."
Dr. Felix Y. Zigel, Professor of mathematics and astronomy at the Moscow Aviation Institute
Opening The Door To 'The Blue Room'
In a recently discovered FOIA reply to a private citizen made twenty-one years ago the Air Force was compelled to answer directly about the Blue Room. This was apparently due to the specificity of the citizen’s FOIA request. In this extraordinary, authenticated and deeply archived record we find extraordinary admissions by the US Government:
In a complete “about-face” and in a sudden change in stance on the existence of the Blue Room (a decade after researcher William Moore inquired about the matter and was told that there were “no records” of it) the Air Force states that there was a Blue Room. They further add that it was at least in operation for a decade, that images of it were taken, and that they then underwent destruction.
This telling US Government admission is made here:
Ocala, November 20, 1957
At around 9:30 AM, while a naval pilot was making a training run from Jacksonville’s Cecil Airfield to a bombing range in the Ocala National Forest, he reported seeing 12 small, bight silver, disk-shaped objects below him at roughly 10,000 feet altitude. The pilot switched on his on-board gun camera, and took several feet of film of the strange objects. Although visibility was clear, with few clouds, the UFOs appeared to materialize out of nowhere.
The objects were later reported as being solid, metallic craft with no lights or windows, or having any remarkable features or identifying markings on their hulls. The pilot believed these strange crafts were flying under intelligent control, and not by remote, which is understandably odd because each craft was no larger than a garbage can lid. This “squadron” was also reported as descending to about 1000 feet above ground level, and remained in view for about 20 minutes before shooting upward at incredible speeds and vanishing all together. The pilot also noted that the craft made no noise nor left any emission as they departed. The pilot was debriefed and the encounter formally reported to military and government authorities. No official outcome was reported after the fact.
A similar incident was reported by another naval pilot in 1959 over the South Pacific, with almost identical descriptions, even though neither pilot had known each other prior to each separate encounter. To date, this kind of craft, which would have involved extremely small life forms, had only been reported on several occasions throughout UFO history.
Source: CUFOS -- The Center for UFO Studies
E-Book - Page 22
Originally posted by karl 12
Originally posted by xpoq47
Well, UFOs are said to be capable of temporarily shutting down electrical systems and supposedly could disable a movie camera if it got to close.
Good point, hadn't really thought of that - it's been pretty well established that UFOs cause electromagnetic interference and Richard Haines report lists quite a few examples but have never heard of E.M. effects affecting a camera before (have heard of batteries being drained though).
Two Low Level UFO Incidents with reported Camera Function failures
The man, who didn’t believe in UFOs, realized that no one would believe his story so he grabbed his cell phone which was quite new and which worked very well to take some pictures of the strange lights. The man opened his window and leaned out as he pointed the camera at the object. When he pointed the camera towards the lights, the man stated that camera suddenly went to a black screen and would not allow him to operate any camera functions. As soon as he brought the camera back into the cab of his vehicle the camera operated normally. Two more times the witness attempted to take pictures, but the same malfunction would occur each time he aimed the camera at the object..
Originally posted by chrism91
the sooner we see footage the better... not sure why they'd withhold this...
Originally posted by chrism91
the sooner we see footage the better... not sure why they'd withhold this...
There are plenty of good reasons to withhold it.
As I've always said, there are really only two things the military doesn't want ever admit:
1) what they know, and
2) what they don't know.
Given that the military has realistically never been able to capitalize technologically from anything they've seen (or recovered) regarding UFOs, I think #2 above is a more reasonable explanation.
Of course, there may be a third option, in that they know something very important and powerful, but they are not in a position to actually use that knowledge because, maybe, it's just too dangerous. What could that be? My favorite wild bet is that the UFOs represent an incursion into our timeline by people from a potential future of ours. And if they start screwing with them or the technology, they risk destroying themselves (and possibly everybody else) by damaging the timeline as it currently exists.
originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
Thanks for continuing to follow through with this thread Karl.
It is a good topic no matter where you stand on the E.T. visitation hypothesis.
originally posted by: ANNED
They have not used film for the last 20 years. its all now digital media.
Plus all the old films have been copied to digital media.
originally posted by: FireMoon
Top stuff Karl, this is one of those that has done the rounds of the UFO community and to my knowledge, everyone who has been around for a time on the scene has heard the self same tales. Even one of the Rendlesham people claims that, as part of their debriefing, they were shown a film of "numerous incidents" of gun camera footage of strange and unknown objects
I strongly suspect however, that as the various arms of the military have no more clue now, than they did 70 years ago, what these objects are, they simply sit on any such documentary evidence as it would force them into a position that is an anathema to any such organisation. That being.... "We don;t know what and therefore, possibly whose they are and we can't stop them either"
originally posted by: The GUT
I, too, am pretty sure the governments don't know much if anymore than we do. I'd say that any secrecy regarding UFOs has more to do with the hopes of weaponizing anything that might be gleaned from the study---especially gun camera footage.
The Washington, D.C. Jet Chase 2002
In an incident that is awash with conspiracy theories; NORAD and the Air National Guard picked up an unknown object that entered Washington’s restricted flying zone on 26 July 2002. As the object’s track caused concern, F-16’s were scrambled to intercept the object but the pilots claimed that they saw nothing when they arrived on the scene—the object also disappeared from radar. At the same time in Maryland several witnesses saw a fast-moving bright blue light in the sky; the witnesses also said they saw jets pursuing it at high speed. According to NORAD, that was all that transpired and they view the matter as closed. But, according to the witnesses more than 2 jets were in the air which indicated that the scramble was unique; one dipped its wings on approach as if to communicate with the unknown object and they also claim that the jets trailed the unknown object but the object flew too fast for the jets to keep up. The event featured on FOX news as well as the Washington Post.
10 Mysterious UFO Incidents Confirmed By Radar