F-22 crashes on highway near Tyndall, page 1


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Topic started on 16-11-2012 @ 02:01 AM by DesertWatchdog
TYNDALL AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. — An Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter jet crashed near a Florida Panhandle highway Thursday, but the pilot was able to eject safely and there were no injuries on the ground, the military said. The single-seat stealth fighter, part of a program that has been plagued with problems, went down Thursday afternoon near Tyndall Air Force Base, just south of Panama City on The Gulf of Mexico. The pilot received medical treatment and a section of Highway 98 that runs through the base was closed as rescuers responded. The crash was on Tyndall land and no one on the ground was hurt, said Air Force Sgt. Rachelle Elsea, a spokeswoman for the base where F-22 pilots train. The Air Force said the plane went down in a wooded area near the highway. The cause of the crash isn't clear, but the Air Force has been trying to address problems with the $190 million aircraft for several years. In 2008, pilots began reporting a sharp increase in hypoxia-like problems, forcing the Air Force to finally acknowledge concerns about the F-22's oxygen supply system. Two years later, the oxygen system contributed to a fatal crash. Though pilot error ultimately was deemed to be the cause, the fleet was grounded for four months in 2011. New restrictions were imposed in May, after two F-22 pilots went on the CBS program "60 Minutes" to express their continued misgivings. The Air Force has said the F-22 is safe to fly — a dozen of the jets began a six-month deployment to Japan in July — but flight restrictions that remain in place will keep it out of the high-altitude situations where pilots' breathing is under the most stress. Internal documents and emails obtained by The Associated Press earlier this year show Air Force experts actually proposed a range of solutions by 2005, including adjustments to the flow of oxygen into pilot's masks. But that key recommendation was rejected by military officials reluctant to add costs to a program that was already well over budget.

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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 02:43 AM by Skywatcher2011
Here is an F-22 Raptor fighter jet:



This jet costs almost $100 million...crashing this one does not come cheap!

Same with the $190 million that just crashed There go your tax dollars!
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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 08:47 PM by darkhorserider
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*nevermind*

Apparently it was a student pilot and he didn't advance the throttle enough, and retracted the landing gear too early and it caused the jet to settle back down to the ground shortly after takeoff.

It was not related to the oxygen problems or any other malfunction. It was the students 2nd flight after 10 training flights in simulators.


ETA
All of that info is from the earlier crash this year. This is a new crash that happened upon approach back to Tyndall.

SO apparently this is a new crash! WoW!

Glad the pilot is OK, although I'm thinking he will be flying mail from now on.
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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 08:58 PM by Zaphod58
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This crash happened after the aircraft developed an In Flight Emergency (IFE) about five minutes out of the base, and was unable to make it back.


reply posted on 17-11-2012 @ 01:05 AM by Zaphod58
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That was the first accident that was directly attributed to pilot error due to training. The other accidents had contributing factors that directly led to the accident.



reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 01:43 AM by ATSWATCHER
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MAN!! I wonder if that is sabotage, now theres only 183 of them left.


reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 08:09 AM by Zaphod58
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He had an in flight emergency returning from a training flight.


reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 03:54 PM by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by Zaphod58
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He had an in flight emergency returning from a training flight.
I don't suppose that rules out sabotage, but I don't understand why anybody would wonder if this was sabotage. It seems like an odd thing to wonder unless there is something I don't know about it.

What I do know is that these are complicated machines and a lot can go wrong with complicated machines, without any sabotage.


reply posted on 21-11-2012 @ 08:26 PM by Zaphod58
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It doesn't rule it out, in fact I recently had a thread about three E-8 aircraft that were sabotaged, but a normal IFE is so much more likely.
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