A New Great American Era that may involve secession

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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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As Ron Paul correctly stated recently (because what would he have to gain from lying at this point), secession is the most American of principles. All of the original 13 states very clearly understood that the Constitutional union was voluntary and could be reversed. New York and Virginia explicitly joined only on the presumption that the compact was reversible.
During the early 19th century, anyone who heard the term "secessionist movement" would have thought automatically of New England. Those states were unhappy with expansion and with hostilities versus their beloved England, so they constantly whined and threatened secession until the Federalist movement finally died (or so we thought).
Despite the national bank and the specter of federalist elitism, the nation grew exponentially as the epitome of free market economics and imperial opportunism. Slavery was a terrible part of the Southern agricultural economy but it was not as far different from the Industrial serfs being counted on by the Northern Industrial elite.

Southerner Andrew Jackson countered the South Carolina nullification crisis not with law or reason but with force, establishing the future tyranny of the American Federal government. It was not total as yet considering certain mid-Atlantic states had a mini- secessionist movement during that period. Again- because it was assumed that in a republic made up of free states, those states were free to leave...
Finally, the elitist whigs made their move, after realizing freedom loving Americans would never honestly accept their domination: Let's seize on the moral dilemma of the states. Propaganda will win out. Slavery and race.

Since the days of the the most tyrannical President of the 19th century- Lincoln- no one questions the authoritarian power of the federal government. Not since they "saved the slaves" anyway.
But what really happened? Not acc. to a Spielberg movie mind you, but acc to actual objective history?

What happened was that the Industrialist and banking elistists were opposed to the agrarian power base in the South. They had opposing economic needs. The whig party-the party of super elite industrialists- had faltered and needed to re-establish itself. It pretended to support the wants of the massive influx of immigrants pouring into the nation. It would take the majority to be the de facto slave labor in its factories, but would support the desires of the adventurous ones- the benefactors of Lincoln's pandering Homestead Act.

Of course there was Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation" which freed not a single slave yet is still used to propagate hysterical fantasies about how the federal government, the ultimate enslavement machine in human history, is such a great liberating force.

Well, the truth of the American Empire created by the tyrant Lincoln is becoming apparent.

Secession is not a good idea. It may become necessary for many states.
Let's face it. The most recent election has proven that a small geographic area can enact explicit and tyrannical force against a large swath of land that is morally and ideologically opposed to its policies. This is the exact definition of tyranny. Of what the founding fathers fought against.

Washington DC is, very obviously, the new King George.

Let's hope beyond hope that Washington DC, The Northeast, and West Coast realize that forcing their values on others is inherently wrong. People rarely give up power and these folks don't seem to have much in the way of morals or values.

At the end of the day, secession may not be necessary. The clearly idiotic Keynesian economic models will destroy themselves and allow us to do Washington and Jefferson proud.

We might have hit a snag... but we got this!

There might be a period of unrest and difficulty, but it will be followed by the next generation of history. One defined by free markets and free men




posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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Finally! Someone who understands that Honest Abe wasn't so "honest." But Andrew Jackson wasn't that great either, he was a complete jerk. Just ask any Cherokee. I'm okay with America splitting. Let people have the kind of government they want and if it works it works, if it don't, well that sucks for them.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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its not really an option imo just think of all the elderly on social security people on disability the sick and dieing on medicare where does it leave these people if we broke up the states. it wouldnt be long before we were invaded and our land and people were murdered and raped by countrys we have pissed off in the past. The republicans need to get over the loss and move on.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by pez1975
its not really an option imo just think of all the elderly on social security people on disability the sick and dieing on medicare where does it leave these people if we broke up the states. it wouldnt be long before we were invaded and our land and people were murdered and raped by countrys we have pissed off in the past. The republicans need to get over the loss and move on.


a lot of what if's can be found in such a move, yet it's the very same move we made to become a country. i think it will fix itself so to speak, when as mentioned above, the faux economy collapses and people have no choice but to work together on something new.

a couple have to's in my OP and that's get money and tenure out of politics, eliminate lobbying, eliminate federal rule over state rights on numerous issues, eliminate the federal reserve and kick global bankers out of the country, increase trade tariffs to protect American workers and that's just a start.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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I agree we need some serious reform in this country but together we stand, separate we fall we need to make our union stronger not tear it apart imo. I love my country with every fiber of my being and it would be unacceptable to tear it apart at this point were the most powerful nation in the world we need to act like it and make the hard changes we need to be successful not give up and break the country up.

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