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Originally posted by windword
What say you ATS? Do you think it's right to make restaurant servers collect this surcharge personally from each customer and deal with their complaints, most likely loosing a good portion of what would have been tipped to them for their good service. Or do you think that the restaurants in question should raise their prices to reflect their rising costs?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NavyDoc
To answer your question, neither. The government should not have mandated anything on the employer. I'm surprised so many people think that if only the government mandates things, things happen without any cost or effort.
Great! So the restaurant owner should neither add the cost as an itemization, nor should he raise menu prices, because the government shouldn't have mandated the ACA in the first place.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
Nope, just pointnig out the TRUE underlying cause of the problem. Bitch about the restaurant owner all you want, but we all know who caused the problem in the first place. WIthout the government mandate, this would not even be an issue.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
EVERYONE is going to have to chip in to make this a reality. I pay 30% of my gross pay to taxes, about 800$ every 2 weeks, but I don't complain. My brother just had massive brain surgery in Eastern Canada (free, btw) which would have cost 380k in the U.S, so I don't mind paying my cut.
One might think that humans would have evolved beyond the primal animal behavior of: "Survival of the Fittest" - - - in other words ME ME ME - - Screw You.
Obviously Not.
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
EVERYONE is going to have to chip in to make this a reality. I pay 30% of my gross pay to taxes, about 800$ every 2 weeks, but I don't complain. My brother just had massive brain surgery in Eastern Canada (free, btw) which would have cost 380k in the U.S, so I don't mind paying my cut.
One might think that humans would have evolved beyond the primal animal behavior of: "Survival of the Fittest" - - - in other words ME ME ME - - Screw You.
Obviously Not.
Not in this crowd.
When they die off, the youth will make better choices than these idiot, selfish pig dinosaurs.
Not soon enough...
Originally posted by Thepump
Society pays for it anyways...
Now its time for society to grow up and realize healthcare is a fundamental right.
Then we can all pay for it, like roads, gas lines, telephone poles, Stealth Bombers and the MILITARY.
Unless you should grow up and fund your own military service and healthcare.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
EVERYONE is going to have to chip in to make this a reality. I pay 30% of my gross pay to taxes, about 800$ every 2 weeks, but I don't complain. My brother just had massive brain surgery in Eastern Canada (free, btw) which would have cost 380k in the U.S, so I don't mind paying my cut.
One might think that humans would have evolved beyond the primal animal behavior of: "Survival of the Fittest" - - - in other words ME ME ME - - Screw You.
Obviously Not.
Not in this crowd.
When they die off, the youth will make better choices than these idiot, selfish pig dinosaurs.
Not soon enough...
When we "dino's" die off, who'll pay for the youngsters "choices"?
If people as a whole made better choices then we wouldn't need the government to step in and act as a nanny.
Society pays for it anyways... Now its time for society to grow up and realize healthcare is a fundamental right. Then we can all pay for it, like roads, gas lines, telephone poles, Stealth Bombers and the MILITARY. Unless you should grow up and fund your own military service and healthcare.
Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
I disagree. The reason it is a news story is utility workers make a lot more than $2.13 an hour. Servers and bartenders make $2.13 an hour from their employers. Thr rest of their salary is based on tips. At most companies they must pay a percentage of their sales to others ( bussers,hosts and bartenders) out of their tip money. They are also taxed on sales not their actual tips. Big difference from knowing you are making $10-30 an hour guaranteed. So in essence the tipped employee will suffer. The op explained this.edit on 15-11-2012 by FreebirdGirl because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Thepump
The better choice is going to be eliminating healthcare for profit.
And PS; we are still paying for Ronald Reagan and your fake ass "conservatism"
We are still paying interest on the 1980's
You guys are also senile
Early onset
Originally posted by Thepump
Now its time for society to grow up and realize healthcare is a fundamental right.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Thepump
The better choice is going to be eliminating healthcare for profit.
And PS; we are still paying for Ronald Reagan and your fake ass "conservatism"
We are still paying interest on the 1980's
You guys are also senile
Early onset
And who is supposed to pay for this "right"?
Oh yeah, just those of us who work and make money.
Entitlement minded is no way to go through life.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by FreebirdGirl
Who made the choice to be a server?
Wasn't me.
I am not there to carry your load in life.
Time to be an adult and make decisions accordingly.
It is sad for those that have lost their jobs. But, it is not my burden to bare.
Originally posted by WeRpeons
Typical shoot from the hip whining republican. It's a sure way to lose customers considering an average 20 percent tip is like paying for another person in your dinner party. It's bad enough these restaurant owners are too cheap to pay their waitress or waiters a decent wage, now they're going to add a surcharge.
When you consider a spaghetti dinner is probably the least expensive dinner to create for a restaurant owner, some restaurants will charge anywhere from $10.00 - $14.00 for it. I'm sure more than 3/4 of that cost is nothing but profit. Considering customers are paying the majority of a waiter, waitress, or bartenders paycheck, maybe it's about time they start taking responsibility for their workers instead of pushing it onto the customer.
My son's girlfriend's parents own a franchise of a well know restaurant chain. Believe me, paying a small percentage toward their employees healthcare isn't going to break the bank.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Thepump
Now its time for society to grow up and realize healthcare is a fundamental right.
B.S. !
I take it " is a fundamental right" to mean everyone has an exclusive right to this health care and it should be free or dirt cheap.
That ONLY works in a society with such a structure that allows it to happen without anyone incurring the bills or having to pay extra money for it. This U.S. Government and our Republic society is Not set up for this.
Sure it would be Great if it could be done. Everyone was cared for, no one got cancer from all the chemicals government is allowing in our foods, or poisoned by the pharmaceuticals government shoves down our throats etc. The structure of capitalism in America doesn't allow for this. The U.S. Constitution doesn't allow for this. Wanting something so great, so noble is good, strive for it, but don't force it on a system that cannot handle it as it's presently designed. you either have to change your system of government or change the healthcare system - or both.
Obamacare as such will never work. it will cause way more problems than it will solve. Look to other countries that have a similar system and see the problems they are having.
Next we is to implement universal healthcare, then your senility will kick in (again) and you will forget who paid for what, just like you stopped keeping track of who paid for the pavement on your street.
The average annual premiums in 2012 are $5,615 for single coverage and $15,745 for family coverage.