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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I wonder if you were were ever aware of hte long bread lines in Russia before the fall of the Communist Empire there? It really demonstrated the failure of a centralized control of the means of production, which is one of the major definitions of communism.

A lie.

I was born there and I was there about the time you are trying to describe here. I call bullcr@p on this, it's my effing domain and you don't know jack compared to me, about that land, its culture and its bread. Desist. By the way you can't make bread comparable to the Russian bread.

Yep, times were tough and all, the economy was never doing too well, and I do indeed hate the Communism. That said, nobody had to worry what' going to happen to their family should they get sick. Again, I never thought this was a viable regime, but when I hear someone badmouthing Russia, they are just stupid POS. I'll type really slow, they are POS.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

Way to get around the T&C rules.[/quote[

Yes. You wrote this in response to:

Because half of the people hear are so eager to pass their agenda they spit lies without any attempt to research and find the truth.

You are guilty as charged.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Exactly! Except there couldn't be a far worse time for this extra spending than now.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

I was born there and I was there about the time you are trying to describe here. I call bullcr@p on this, it's my effing domain and you don't know jack compared to me, about that land, its culture and its bread. Desist. By the way you can't make bread comparable to the Russian bread.

Yep, times were tough and all, the economy was never doing too well, and I do indeed hate the Communism. That said, nobody had to worry what' going to happen to their family should they get sick. Again, I never thought this was a viable regime, but when I hear someone badmouthing Russia, they are just stupid POS. I'll type really slow, they are POS.

edit on 17-11-2012 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)

It's funny, here you claim you hate communism, but In almost every post I've seen you make, you sound like you love communisun.

reply to post by nixie_nox


Really?
The UK you say?
So, the UK must pay a tax if they can't afford healthcare?
Sorry, that's not true, my wife is from the UK, this is nothing like that system.
Nice try, but you are comparing apples and oranges, yes they are kinda round, but that's all.

reply to post by buddhasystem

Everyone in the US knew about the Russian breadlines from shortages. You might pick up a college econ textbood too.
Dmitry is a Russian name da or nyet?

In the Soviet times there was a great short­age of all con­sumer prod­ucts. Clothes or food were no excep­tion. In order to buy some bread peo­ple were ready to spend hours and hours queu­ing up.
1983. A long queue into the footwear store. The length of the line implies that peo­ple would expect to buy imported footwear which was of bet­ter qual­ity and fash­ion­com­pared with the Soviet stuff.

www.realussr.com...

Olga is another Russian name

The collapse of the Soviet Union 20 years ago eliminated one of the most defining and despised features of Soviet life: standing in line – lines for bread, butter, and other basic necessities. According to one estimate, citizens in the USSR spent up to a third of every day standing in lines.

www.theworld.org...

I generally don't think people here are disinfo, but I could always make an exception. Somebody must not be telling the truth.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Well I do wonder about some things you have said in these threads. The latest being you lived in Russia and you claim there were no bread lines.

Oh please!!!!!

It's laughable you end your diatribe by telling me that I can't make bread as good as Russians. That's really funny. What does that have to do with shortages? Or wait, did you mean Americans in general? Since we have so many different cultural contributions here, I wonder if you meant the Italian breads at the many Italian restaurants here, or the Naan you can get at most Indian restauarants.
I did however have a Russian dance instructor. He told me the Russian people still hate Stalin. His eyes got teared up as he said it. He also told me you cannot now make money for yourself in Russia, that it is all run by the mafia.

Would you like to refute that as well?

He is from Astrakhan.

I suppose if one were KGB one could get around those pesky bread lines though.

edit: reply to Buddhasystem

Here is a segment of a PDF that sure looks like some historical research went into it.

In light of Mikoyan’s laundry list of successes in the realm of consumer goods, one might
assume that the standard of living in the Soviet Union was flourishing. Unfortunately, Stalin’s
assurance that “life has become more joyous, comrades” was not completely fulfilled. Consumer
goods steadily increased in price in the second half of the 1930s. The new stores with wellstocked
shelves of dazzling items were out of reach to average Soviets. Moreover, many of the
supposedly luxury items available for purchase mimicked Western senses of fashion and design,
but their quality often left much to be desired. After harvest shortfalls in 1936, bread queues
jammed Soviet sidewalks as conditions forced people to wait through miserable weather and late
nights to acquire basic foodstuffs.296 Rural shops suffered from a severe shortage of consumer
goods. During the harvest crisis of 1936, peasants flocked to cities to acquire bread since no grain
was available in their villages. Between 1937 and 1938, letters poured into Leningrad decrying the
complete absence of other consumer goods such as cloth and clothing. For example, many
government-administered stores in the countryside had only shoes of one size. Consequently,
Moscow and Leningrad became fraught with migrants from the countryside—from as far as
Ukraine and the Caucasus—who were hoping to find the necessities their local outlets lacked.297
Moreover, since shortages had been eliminated in 1935, speculation and hoarding hurt the effective
distribution of foodstuffs and other goods.

Champagne, Stockings, and Ice Cream:
CONSUMERISM IN THE SOVIET UNION
Matthew R. Steinfeld
John C. Young Scholars Program
Centre College
2005-2006
Prof. Michael F. Hamm, Faculty Advisor
Prof. W. David Hall, Committee Chair

dspace.centre.edu:8080...

I do want to make one thing clear though, my comments about Russia are merely to highlight what went wrong with centralized control of the economy there. I think the Russian people are magnificent, and my own father spent many years learning the languge. My commentary, however is about economic factors

Originally posted by mrnotobc
It's funny, here you claim you hate communism, but In almost every post I've seen you make, you sound like you love communisun.

Well, it must be a case of hallucination.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Well I do wonder about some things you have said in these threads. The latest being you lived in Russia and you claim there were no bread lines.

Oh please!!!!!

It's laughable you end your diatribe by telling me that I can't make bread as good as Russians. That's really funny.

I'm glad you take it with a dose of humor, I meant it this way.

I did however have a Russian dance instructor. He told me the Russian people still hate Stalin. His eyes got teared up as he said it. He also told me you cannot now make money for yourself in Russia, that it is all run by the mafia.

I never meant to say that Russia is some sort of paradise or just even a place where I desire to live. But for every person who hates Stalin in Russia there is another who admires that monstrous leader. And there are in fact ways to make money in Russia, I know people there who are relatively well of either having professional jobs or owning businesses. Does this mean that's a great place to live? Not for me, but maybe for some. All I'm saying that you have some weird and rather unbalanced set of ideas about Russia. Your dance instructor must have had it rough there, but as usual, people's mileage will vary.

As for shortages, sure there were shortages in the Soviet times, why should I deny the facts. Just go easy on the "bread lines", I simply didn't know of any cases like this when I still lived here. By the way it's impossible to get milk at my local Wallmart after 5 pm., should I chalk it up to shortages? Probably not.

But what's more important that you are really taking things to the absurd. What does Communism and its bread have to do with the topic of this thread? Communism is a heavy word. I feel it's being misused here. Scare tactics and all. That's why you had to say not just "bread lines", but "long bread lines".






Would you like to refute that as well?

He is from Astrakhan.

I suppose if one were KGB one could get around those pesky bread lines though.

reply to post by windword


Been offline since Friday evening, just in case you mistakenly believed that you would get away with that load of drivel of a response.

Hey, just because some of you have fallen for his health care scam that is all about making the Government rich and the foolish misled Sheople even more poor than they were before, doesn't mean everyone has. I thought you guys cared about the poor? LMAO!!!

What, you actually believe that imposed fines that are not payed will not have a result? Did you bump your leftist head, are you kidding me? What would be the point then! = Stuck on dumb dumb.

Now, Think about this for a minute, and try really hard to keep an open mind while slobbering over your herO Obama. When I was younger during my 20's, I actually went 11 years without even going to a doctor. I was healthy, and I took care of myself. Maybe a little lucky by not getting a disease or injured in a car accident. Nevertheless, there were millions of us out there, trust me on that.

Sure I got the flu, but I allowed my immune system to do what it was made to do instead of weakening it with anti-biotics or poisoning it with the flue shot. That way, The drug companies didn't make any profit off of me, which was a great thing as well.

Hmmmmm, 11 years, Let's see, 11 x $3,000.00 a year? Well that's $33,000.00 dollars towards a corrupt Governments health care system that I don't even need. Yeah, I will pay as I go because that's what I did back then, no not now, but back then. Had I been required to pay $3,000 dollars a year back then, I would have lost $33,000 dollars instead of having it for college, a vehicle, for rent or for food. Maybe even a down payment on a home? Shakes head.

This will only hold down the unfortunate even more so then they are already held down by their financial situation. The liars have done their work well by fooling these uneducated sheople who vote on nothing but their emotions. It's sad really, because they actually believe that Obama and the Democrats want to help them. That's the scam here. It's not about helping people, it's about more money and more power for the Federal government.

The point is, not that you will get it, is that some young people don't need health coverage at all. Some can pay as they go. Humans lived without health coverage for thousands of years, and I mean those who never needed it. There are millions of people that don't need it period unless they break an arm, then you can get them hooked on vicadin and make more profits, but not until then.

Yep, Those are the facts, sorry if you don't like it but you have been politically manipulated into being an android representative of a mentally deranged policy that only a madman would support. You, Yes you and your herO Obama, want to charge every single soul in this Nation a fee for a service that might never even be needed? So where do those un-needed funds go, who gets to regulate it all? That is what nobody is talking about, and Government loves that when on such a grand scale as this. Jeezus, wake up you #ing idiots.

Who in their right minds would allow these carpetbaggers in D.C to consume even more Tax revenue from the population, I mean who really? = Only slaves who deserve what they ask for, weak people that is.

Anyway, Yeah It's just more of the same old bs where the government has another Law and reason to take even more money away from the Sheople. Kill even more large and small companies. Reduce the standard of living for even more unfortunate people. All in the name of "if someone needs a doctor". Remember the "if" part. It's very important, and what a great job those liars did by convincing you imbeciles to support such a poverty driven policy.

Let me tell you something and then I am done with this subject, This new law is the enemy of every single hard working individual in this Country. It's supporters are either fools or absolute lunatics. The scale of this national heist has not even been recognized as of yet.

So, With that being said, that's just one Man's opinion. Have a great Turkey Day friends. ~$heopleNation

Yep, his business decision making has now forced him to re-evaluate his strategy thanks to the strong arm of ObamaCare.

This is further proof that Liberal idealogy works only in theory and never in the real world.
Just like when they try to increase the minimum wage just because.
Increasing it by x amount doesn't mean your pay will increase proportionally.
You may end up getting paid more but your hours will be reduced.

reply to post by buddhasystem


So now you are upset I used the word "long" to describe the bread lines? Is that because historically you cannot refute the bread lines, so you have to go for the next best thing and complain they were not long? What, do you think they were standing in line for Panera Bread or something?
Also, as well as bread lines(and lines for things not bread), there was a problem with grain, which could account for the bread lines. Apparently, the collective farms weren't as productive as hoped for, causing Russia to not be able to export as much grain as they had formerly.

Under Stalin the government socialized agriculture and created a massive bureaucracy to administer policy. Stalin's campaign of forced collectivization, which began in 1929, confiscated the land, machinery, livestock, and grain stores of the peasantry. By 1937 the government had organized approximately 99 percent of the Soviet countryside into state-run collective farms. Under this grossly inefficient system, agricultural yields declined rather than increased. The situation persisted into the 1980s, when Soviet farmers averaged about 10 percent of the output of their counterparts in the United States.

A number of factors made the Soviet collectivized system inefficient throughout its history. Because farmers were paid the same wages regardless of productivity, there was no incentive to work harder and more efficiently. Administrators who were unaware of the needs and capabilities of the individual farms decided input allocation and output levels, and the high degree of subsidization eliminated incentives to adopt more efficient production methods.

countrystudies.us...

So, you see, the whole point of this dialogue is to help people to understand differences between free market production and collectivism and centralized control of the means of production.

Obamacare has a slightly different application but primarily it is bureaucratic control ruining the natural efficiency of free enterprise, and we see now the effects of it on business other than actual clinical healthcare and insurance.

To be fair, yes, during the depression era, there was a global depression, and there were lines for work in the USA. Everyone was affected at that time.

reply to post by SheopleNation


Well said Sheople well said. A thousand stars for that one post.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

Way to get around the T&C rules.[/quote[

Yes. You wrote this in response to:

Because half of the people hear are so eager to pass their agenda they spit lies without any attempt to research and find the truth.

You are guilty as charged.

Sorry that was not the issue. Glad you are not a mod.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

Way to get around the T&C rules.

No, i am not guilty in the least. I do a great deal of research. I do not use as a general rule use Huffington Post as sources, except once in a blue moon just to show liberals what they themselves are spewing.

I would add, just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean I am wrong. I do have some understanding of basic comparisons of different kinds of economic systems, and our economy here in the US is what is referred to as a mixed economy. That is why some liberals get away with saying we are not a socialist country, because technically we do not operate exclusively under a socialist system, but we have elements of socialism mixed in with our Capitalist base, and then there is Keynesian economics, which goes on the basis that if people are not spending money, the economy contracts, so the Fed will expand the economy as it sees fit, and then contracts it if they feel it is expanding too fast.
Now here is some commentary about Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand"

In economics, the invisible hand of the market is a metaphor conceived by Adam Smith to describe the self-regulating behavior of the marketplace.[1] The exact phrase is used just three times in Smith's writings, but has come to capture his important claim that individuals' efforts to maximize their own gains in a free market benefits society, even if the ambitious have no benevolent intentions. Smith came up with the two meanings of the phrase from Richard Cantillon who developed both economic applications in his model of the isolated estate.[2]

The theory of the Invisible Hand states that if each consumer is allowed to choose freely what to buy and each producer is allowed to choose freely what to sell and how to produce it, the market will settle on a product distribution and prices that are beneficial to all the individual members of a community, and hence to the community as a whole. The reason for this is that self-interest drives actors to beneficial behavior in a case of serendipity. Efficient methods of production are adopted to maximize profits. Low prices are charged to maximize revenue through gain in market share by undercutting competitors. Investors invest in those industries most urgently needed to maximize returns, and withdraw capital from those less efficient in creating value. All these effects take place dynamically and automatically.[citation needed

en.wikipedia.org...

So if you really want to suggest that my ideas about a restaurant owner having to come up with a way to stay profitable in a time when the Progressives are expaning bureaucratic control of the economy, I bet I will come out ahead in the discourse, because I HAVE done my homework, and likely you have only listened to Huffpo or some Democrat operative.

I was reading Antony Sutton books on Skull and Bones and The Order years and years ago and knew about Hegelian Dialectic in the 80's. I am conservative but that doesn't mean I let the Bush family off the hook. They are all involved.

I knew about the Tri lateral commission and CFR back then too. I know about the Bilderbergs. These secretive organizations are not just coming from both Republican and Democrat Parties but are also Internationalists and don't care what country they screw up.
if you really want to challenge me to a duel about whether Progressivism and socialism/communism is good for our country, let's have at it. I'm game. Are you? Or are you just going to accuse me of being a liar but word it so the Mods don't smack you down?

edit on 17-11-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

If you interpreted my posts as me calling you a liar. I sincerly apologize. My question of " Are you guilt?" was meant for anyone reading my posts. Many posts I read will have information that is easily vetted if someone took a little time to research. Once again I apologize if I offended you just getting fed up with all the partianship. IMO if we keep fighting each other we won't have to worry about Agenda 21 or any other conspiracy. We will fufill our own destiny of demise. By the way anyone with the name "ThirdEyeofHorus" has to have a knowledge of some deep *hit.

Originally posted by jacobe001
So are you all for getting the Banksters and Multi National Corporations out of our government and also to end lobbyists?

Yep, sure am. It has corrupted both sides.

Originally posted by jacobe001

They do not exist to help you or this country but only themselves.

Yeah, and???

Originally posted by jacobe001
The Obama Phone railed on by many is a perfect example where the Telecommunications Industry lobbied to create government money to fund these phones.

They get a tax right off. You know, the same tax right offs as the Oil Companies get.
But, instead of using that directly assist in finding or retrieving more oil, it is used to give a free phone to people that are undeserving.
The Telecom Company passes that cost onto the current customers.

reply to post by jacobe001


More Liberal Pitched BS.
Please show anywhere that I worship a man or entity.
Otherwise, you may want to poetically troll somewhere else.

reply to post by FreebirdGirl


They do have to have a reason to FIRE you.
If they let you go, then they can't rehire for 2 years I believe.

Now, that reason for termination can range from not a team player to character conflict.

If you don't like it, move somewhere else. Or is it just that the whole world has to change for you?

reply to post by FreebirdGirl


Again, it is nice to cherry pick, isn't it?

The reason for any business to be around, is to create a profit for the owner(s). That is the purpose. No owner starts a business thinking "I will create a company just to employe people". Doesn't happen.

A job is the byproduct of a business. The person working the job is compensated with money.
There are many businesses that offer BENEFITS. Those benefits include things like health insurance, dental, paid time off and so on. They are not what is OWED to the worked.


Nice try, but you fail.