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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
He is the owner of the restaurant and can charge whatever he wants. This is the way taxes work... the cost of all taxes and regulations imposed on business by the government is always passed on to the consumer,
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5
But, I am sure you feel that is just evil, as businesses should be there to employe people, and not make a profit for someone.
Then finally, the Wall Street criminals will collapse and burn in hell
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by missed_gear
Now, imagine if we had one of those Fed Income Tax holidays people always whisper about.
Or, as more and more people go 1099, that they become more and more aware just how much money is sucked out of the American Workers pockets by the Govt.
The Govt has a win win. They take the money with no real risk, and hand it out like Santa Clause every month.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jacobe001
Cute spin, but you fail.
The reason for anyone to start a business is to make a profit.
With those evil businesses making a profit for the owner(s), the by-product is a job within the company.
Nice try, but a failure.
edit on 16-11-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jacobe001
You are proving my point. The Govt can't be trusted with more control or more of our money.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jacobe001
I worship no man. You have your facts and assumptions wrong.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by defcon5
Oh come on. You are using a single, or handful of outrageous instances to rally against Reps and the idea for less Govt control in business. You know that and I know that.
I have worked for 15 years in right to work states and have yet to encounter anything close to what you suggest. I have worked for some real winners and real losers.
You still have the ability and right to leave there or stay.
The business is there to make him a profit, not provide jobs and health insurance to workers.
Originally posted by RedShirt73
Originally posted by mrnotobc
So you're saying self employed, and the growing number of people referred to a independent contractors, that don't have health insurance, won't have costs going up.
Myself, I'm self employed. My wife and I have no insurance. When we go to the doctor, we pay with our own money. Now I'm faced with a $1500 fine, which adds to my costs. If I decide to raise my prices to cover these costs, does that make me a scumbbag?
No doubt it will be hard on some people. Just a quick question, are there any tax breaks that you guys get from this?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NavyDoc
To answer your question, neither. The government should not have mandated anything on the employer. I'm surprised so many people think that if only the government mandates things, things happen without any cost or effort.
Great! So the restaurant owner should neither add the cost as an itemization, nor should he raise menu prices, because the government shouldn't have mandated the ACA in the first place.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
Nope, just pointnig out the TRUE underlying cause of the problem. Bitch about the restaurant owner all you want, but we all know who caused the problem in the first place. WIthout the government mandate, this would not even be an issue.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
The TRUE underlying cause is that not everybody can afford to see a doctor, Dr.
Like tens of millions of people, Dr.
So Bitch about the mandate all you want, but there wouldn't be a mandate if there wasn't a problem.
A problem that was created by the government in the first place, from FDR capping wages in WWII so to get more skilled workers, industry added benefits such as healthcare and tied it to work. Regulation, taxation, Medicare, Medicaid, mandates to cover ALL medical on dialysis patients, SSDI, out of control malpractice litigation,etc, etc.
It boggles the mind that people turn to those who created the problem in the first place for the solution. Of course a jaded person would suggest that was the whole intent from the beginning.edit on 16-11-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)
2 coffee 4.00
1 FRENCH TOAST SAUSAGE 8.95
1 LRG BAGDAD SPC 11.25
1 S/ONE EGG 2.00
SUBTOTAL 26.20
TAX 2.59
SF HEALTH IN 1.02
TOTAL 29.81
Bagdad is pleased to offer health insurance to all of its employees under San Francisco's ground-breaking Health Care Security Ordinance. The above 3.9% surcharge helps us to pay for the related cost. Thank you!
Originally posted by Xaberz
They already do this in San Francisco. I don't think people really notice. The server could actually make more money because a lot of people tip based off of the Total and not subtotal.
Look under where it says tax, there is a line for Health Insurance.
They've been doing that for years now.
If you can't see the image it says:
2 coffee 4.00
1 FRENCH TOAST SAUSAGE 8.95
1 LRG BAGDAD SPC 11.25
1 S/ONE EGG 2.00
SUBTOTAL 26.20
TAX 2.59
SF HEALTH IN 1.02
TOTAL 29.81
Bagdad is pleased to offer health insurance to all of its employees under San Francisco's ground-breaking Health Care Security Ordinance. The above 3.9% surcharge helps us to pay for the related cost. Thank you!
I like the bottom paragraph. It makes it sound nice that they're offering health insurance, and when you think about it, it is nice!edit on 11/16/2012 by Xaberz because: added text of receipt
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NavyDoc
To answer your question, neither. The government should not have mandated anything on the employer. I'm surprised so many people think that if only the government mandates things, things happen without any cost or effort.
Great! So the restaurant owner should neither add the cost as an itemization, nor should he raise menu prices, because the government shouldn't have mandated the ACA in the first place.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
Nope, just pointnig out the TRUE underlying cause of the problem. Bitch about the restaurant owner all you want, but we all know who caused the problem in the first place. WIthout the government mandate, this would not even be an issue.
M'kay, thanks for playing.
The TRUE underlying cause is that not everybody can afford to see a doctor, Dr.
Like tens of millions of people, Dr.
So Bitch about the mandate all you want, but there wouldn't be a mandate if there wasn't a problem.
A problem that was created by the government in the first place, from FDR capping wages in WWII so to get more skilled workers, industry added benefits such as healthcare and tied it to work. Regulation, taxation, Medicare, Medicaid, mandates to cover ALL medical on dialysis patients, SSDI, out of control malpractice litigation,etc, etc.
It boggles the mind that people turn to those who created the problem in the first place for the solution. Of course a jaded person would suggest that was the whole intent from the beginning.edit on 16-11-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)
That is ignorant... The fact of the matter is a person who works for minimum wage can't
pay for the the labor of a Doctor, nurses, labs, technicians, receptionists and the like. It
is a simple economic equation - when food and shelter are at risk, people will chose those
over medical attention, it's the same way around the world.
Can a person who makes $430 dollars a week, afford to get their cancer treated by you?
And pay for their food, gas and rent?
Tell me how that works Doc? You and all your staff are not going to be-able to get the
job done for the $40 left over that people have after paying for the incidentals of life.
I don't mean to be pissy, but it is insulting... I suspect you can't relate because you do not
have to worry about destitution. I don't forget where I've come from and how it's like.edit on 16-11-2012 by Thepump because: (no reason given)