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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by zroth
I fail to see where in the Bible it states that Govt is supposed to take care of people.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by zroth
Originally posted by macman
If you were a server, and you should get cancer, that medical treatment is not my responsibility.
Neither is it yours if I get cancer.
America cannot run around claiming to be a Judeo-Christian nation and ignore the basic biblical responsibilities to its brethren.
Divided we fall. This is proving true daily.
Where in the Bible or Torah does it state you must provide charity to one, by forced taking from another? Judeo-Christian values include individual charity but do not support coercive charity. America is a very charitable nation and give to charities more than any other country. We just take umbrage at those who call us "selfish" as they want to help themselves to our bank accounts.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by NavyDoc
The story of Render under Cesar maybe?
Originally posted by windword
John Metz owns numerous restaurant outlets and plans to impose a 5% surcharge to each customer's bill to pay for his employees' health care insurance.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
Metz is the franchisor of Hurricane Grill & Wings, which has 48 locations, five of which are corporate owned, and president and owner of RREMC Restaurants, which runs approximately 40 Denny's and several Dairy Queen locations. He planned to use the 5 percent surcharge tactic in all his restaurants starting in January 2014, when Obamacare is fully implemented.
Metz admits that this tactic will effect the tips, which servers rely on as a substantial part of their earnings. So, while servers are already required to share their tips with bussers, bartenders, kitchen staff and the front desk, plus the fact that they are taxed on 8% of their sales in income tax, Metz refuses to bear any financial responsibility himself, or for his bottom line to suffer one iota.
"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare,"
This statement really gets my goat! Servers are not greedy, selfish, lazy, enemies of capitalism. Neither are they the primary beneficiaries of Obamacare. There are also the bussers, dishwashers, cooks and preps, hostesses, commissary and warehouse workers, office staff, etc. who's salaries are derived from the customer's check, and who will also benefit from Obamacare.
This "D bag" wants to place the onus of Obamacare squarely on one employee, the server. The earnings of other, non tipped hourly employees will not be effected.
In my opinion, this is class warfare and dirty politics.
What say you ATS? Do you think it's right to make restaurant servers collect this surcharge personally from each customer and deal with their complaints, most likely loosing a good portion of what would have been tipped to them for their good service. Or do you think that the restaurants in question should raise their prices to reflect their rising costs?
edit on 15-11-2012 by windword because: OCD Spelling and Grammar
Originally posted by zroth
Where in the Bible or Torah does it state you must provide charity to one, by forced taking from another? Judeo-Christian values include individual charity but do not support coercive charity. America is a very charitable nation and give to charities more than any other country. We just take umbrage at those who call us "selfish" as they want to help themselves to our bank accounts.
Originally posted by MegaMind
All this arguing is moot. 2014? really?
I tell you now this country won't survive in its current form to 2014.
The economy will crash before then and at the same time the US will be engaged in WW3.
When 50% or more of the population of the earth is gone through warfare and starvation no one will be thinking about obamacare ...
I know ... I'm a kook, a doom and gloomer, a paranoid, blah blah blah
go back to sleep ... enjoy your nap while you can
edit on 16-11-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dogstar23
Originally posted by MegaMind
All this arguing is moot. 2014? really?
I tell you now this country won't survive in its current form to 2014.
The economy will crash before then and at the same time the US will be engaged in WW3.
When 50% or more of the population of the earth is gone through warfare and starvation no one will be thinking about obamacare ...
I know ... I'm a kook, a doom and gloomer, a paranoid, blah blah blah
go back to sleep ... enjoy your nap while you can
edit on 16-11-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)
At least preface by saying something like, "I have a weird feeling that...", or "I had a dream that..." otherwise, might as well juat file this with billions of other statements which have been posted on the internet about the certain demise of the US, whose doom dates have passed.
Its clear people understand very little about how things really work if they truly think the US is in peril.edit on 11/16/2012 by dogstar23 because: moar!
Originally posted by Tbrooks76
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
i don't think a 5% percent markup would cover anything.
I don't know now days, but about 12 years ago in Texas when I was helping run a business the markup on person wages to cover payroll, taxes, workman’s comp, and company insurance (not an individuals) was about 27% and that’s without factoring in overhead or profit which varies and be up to a 50% increase on top of the 27% depending on how much overhead you’re company has.
Its nothing for 10 an hour person to cost the company 20 an hour and not make a profit off them.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by windword
This business owner is just making flashy statement. That is all. If he really wanted to offset his "losses" and move on quietly, he would just mark up the menu 5% and be done with it.
I am not sure if the OP was on target with the tip sharing. Not all places share tips (mine doesn't).