Restaurant Owner to Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare, page 20


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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 05:50 AM by Raist
reply to post by MidnightSunshine



If 5% forces you or anyone else to tip less I would say it is the person tipping less that is cheap and sorry. Again this is Denny's not so five star restaurant. 5% of your bill will only be about $1 maybe $1.50.



Raist


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 06:01 AM by Raist
reply to post by Trustfund



Wait so you know this man well enough to attack his character? How do you get he would love to abuse his employees from him charging 5% to cover insurance costs?

Raist



reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 06:29 AM by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus



All I see is mindless union-bashing.

Some people just can't resist an opportunity to sink even lower on here.


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:02 AM by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Thepump
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by windword
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post by NavyDoc






To answer your question, neither. The government should not have mandated anything on the employer. I'm surprised so many people think that if only the government mandates things, things happen without any cost or effort.


Great! So the restaurant owner should neither add the cost as an itemization, nor should he raise menu prices, because the government shouldn't have mandated the ACA in the first place.

M'kay, thanks for playing.


Nope, just pointnig out the TRUE underlying cause of the problem. Bitch about the restaurant owner all you want, but we all know who caused the problem in the first place. WIthout the government mandate, this would not even be an issue.

M'kay, thanks for playing.


The TRUE underlying cause is that not everybody can afford to see a doctor, Dr.

Like tens of millions of people, Dr.

So Bitch about the mandate all you want, but there wouldn't be a mandate if there wasn't a problem.


A problem that was created by the government in the first place, from FDR capping wages in WWII so to get more skilled workers, industry added benefits such as healthcare and tied it to work. Regulation, taxation, Medicare, Medicaid, mandates to cover ALL medical on dialysis patients, SSDI, out of control malpractice litigation,etc, etc.

It boggles the mind that people turn to those who created the problem in the first place for the solution. Of course a jaded person would suggest that was the whole intent from the beginning.
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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:07 AM by NavyDoc
Originally posted by MidnightSunshine
reply to
post by Raist



I find it funny just how this thread is going. In this thread you see irony, hypocrites, and lovers of nanny state. It is like some cute jumbled up funny farm. That is why I am so happy the guy is doing this, it makes ATS more entertaining.
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Originally posted by Legion2024
reply to post by Sissel



that is not telling you they are passing it on. At lest this guys is honest


Yes he is being honest, but he doesn't want his customers taking it out on him.... so he suggests that they compensate the extra tax on the bill with the amount they intend to tip.

So, from what I understand, the healthcare will be provided to the entire staff and not limited to the tipped employees.

It's just plain Shady.
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This makes no sense. Why is it not shady for the government to force some people to cover other people's healthcare through taxation, but it is shady for this employer to do the exact same thing?


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:31 AM by macman
reply to post by Thepump



Yet, are they turned away from medical services???????

NO......................there are not.
Nice try though.


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:35 AM by macman
reply to post by FreebirdGirl



The burden to fund others with grand old 0bamacare, and every other gimme that the Govt hands out.

If you were a server, and you should get cancer, that medical treatment is not my responsibility.
Neither is it yours if I get cancer.


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:40 AM by macman
reply to post by Thepump



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Is that maybe when the Govt started to get their hands involved in it??
Maybe, just maybe???

Look, you are clearly out of your league here.
Your ideas have been tried in Soviet Russia and other countries, and have failed or are failing.
If you pine for these things, why not just move to the Liberal Progressive Paradise you long for? Instead working to ruin and collapse the US?

It is nice to see the young ideologue, wanting a better world and give peace a chance and everything, but it is nothing new. Your lack of life experience shows just how naive your thoughts really are.



reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:42 AM by macman
reply to post by Thepump



Wow 4 homes. SO you are the evil rich person that you hate.

Weird how life turns out.


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:43 AM by macman
reply to post by iwilliam



And all those people were paid accordingly. They did a job and were in turn handed money.

Sam Walton risked a whole lot more to create a business then those that just worked for him.


reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:52 AM by NavyDoc
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Thepump


Tell me, can you get an ear infection resolved without seeing your insurance broker?

Tell me what they do for you?



That makes no sense.
Private insurance does not force you to first see a broker before you visit a doctor.


Good quote. I missed that one. Class, does anyone know which "insurance company" denies the most claims and denies the most procedures and medications?

The U.S. government.


The following week, Health Care for America Now, a group supporting the Democrats’ health care reform bill, ran a television ad claiming that private health insurance companies: “Deny 1 out of 5 treatments prescribed by doctors.”

When fact-checked by PolitiFact.com, it turned out the statistic had been derived by the California Nurses Association, which broadened its definition of “denial” to include such administrative non-events as a claim having been sent to the wrong insurer. Such snafus occur behind the scenes, and the patient never knows about them because his/her claim is, in fact, subsequently paid by the correct insurer.

And the drumbeat goes on—

Every day in cities and towns across the United States, Americans with insurance are denied medically necessary care by a for-profit insurer. A treatment, test, medication or even a surgical procedure ordered by their physician is denied, all in the name of increasing the bottom line.

—surely leading inexorably to the conclusion that we must take action NOW to pass health care “reform”!

But, when you take the “profit” out of health care, what do you find?

According to the American Medical Association’s National Health Insurer Report Card for 2008, the government’s health plan, Medicare, denied medical claims at nearly double the average for private insurers: Medicare denied 6.85% of claims. The highest private insurance denier was Aetna @ 6.8%, followed by Anthem Blue Cross @ 3.44, with an average denial rate of medical claims by private insurers of 3.88%


blog.independent.org... /17/medicares-refusal-of-medical-claims-continues-to-outpace-private-rate/
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reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 07:54 AM by macman
reply to post by zroth



I fail to see where in the Bible it states that Govt is supposed to take care of people.
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