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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Erectus
Also the Unions got waivers. something to think about, the average business owner didn't get a waiver. Something really wrong here. If Obamacare was so great why did all the Unions jump to get waivers? I thought these socialist wanted it?
And if you think business is slow now, just wait till this all really gets going. It is going to bring business to a slower crawl than it already is. It is not a fix for the economy or health.
Also inflation is going to spiral out of control, raising costss of verything even more.
edit on 16-11-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Grimpachi
You are saying you will take your business elsewhere. Because some news media said this guy is a jerk for adding a surcharge to pay for the healthcare you say you won't patronize his restaurants. It can only be for one reason, that you support Obamacare but you don't want to pay for what you voted for, you expect everyone to pay for it. If this guy is doing it, so will everyone. You can whine about how he is evil for making a statement, but it's going to happen anyway. Everyone will do this. When everyone does this, you will have only yourself and the rest of the Obama voters to blame.
I said I am not eating there. I will take my business somewhere else. Free market and all. Hopefully other people will as well and when business picks up in other restaurants they will hire more people. Free market at work.
Well, it's not entirely free market because govt forced him to pay for something. Voting has consequences and you asked for it.
Nope I never said that. I said I am not eating there. I will take my business somewhere else. Free market and all. Hopefully other people will as well and when business picks up in other restaurants they will hire more people. Free market at work. The server who decides to stay at a place that isn’t doing much business has made a poor choice of where to work in my opinion. I guess it could be a place to learn the ropes though.
See same money is being spent it is just being spent somewhere else. Try not reading into other people’s posts too much.
If he is going to rewrite the menu then yes just change the price but the way he is doing it will hurt the employee’s tips. He is just being an @ hole.
See you are reading into things again. Nowhere did I say it was about saving money. I said the guy is an @ hole. If you support @ holes great for you as for myself if I don’t have to I will not.
If you think the guy is just being upfront I would have to disagree there. I think he is making a statement and if he is not trying to do so then it makes me wonder how he has stayed in business for this long because to most people that is how it looks. If he isn’t purposely being a @ hole then he is an idiot as far as presentation. Him being in the food industry he should understand how much presentation counts and just because it is a Denny’s is no excuse for not understanding basics.
I see a guy playing politics through a surcharge which in my opinion will hurt the employees which causes me to take my business somewhere I do not consider the owner to be a complete @hole which if enough people do the same it will only hurt the owner of the 20 something chains which you call a few.
The money gets spent just elsewhere and the employment will follow the money. If you think this is anything other than a vindictive political statement on the owner’s part I suggest you are fooling yourself.
Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
.When the financially comfortable demand sacrifices from people who are already experiencing hardship yet do not make sacrifices themselves it is wrong and counter productive for the growth of a country.
But do you trot out a surcharge every time your suppliers raises prices?
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Erectus
I think the Unions get waivers because their insurance goes above and beyond Obamacare at least it did 10 years ago when I was in one. It isn’t that they do not have healthcare it is that theirs is better.
Not surprisingly, it helps to be a Democratic ally when seeking a waiver. The Republican Policy Committee reports that over half of the workers that have been exempted so far belong to unions:
The plans newly approved for waivers cover more than 160,000 people, bringing to nearly 3.1 million the number of individuals in plans exempted from the health law’s requirements. Of the participants receiving waivers, more than half – over 1.55 million – are in union plans, raising questions of why such a disproportionate share of union members are receiving waivers from the law’s requirements. The percentage of participants receiving waivers that come from unions also continues to rise – the number was 48% in April, and 45% in March.
Unions already received a generous concession in the health care bill. Their generous "cadilac" insurance plans were exempted from being taxed until 2018, adding about $120 billion to the bill’s cost over ten years. For more on how the administration has helped unions, see my story in THE WEEKLY STANDARD from a few weeks ago.
Originally posted by CrisMajor
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Yeah, by adding the surcharge, he was definitely politicizing the issue
But maybe he SHOULD have done it. People hear obamacare and they think "OH SWEET, I GET MEDICARE WITHOUT PAYING W00T W00T"
Nah man, ever hear the phrase "There's no such thing as a free puppy"?
Same thing with universal healthcare.edit on 15-11-2012 by CrisMajor because: damn typos...
To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014.
Originally posted by Crakeur
It's a smart tactic in the sense that he's going to raise the prices to cover the cost of Obamacare but he's going to do it in a manner that makes Obama, and his plan, the enemy, not him.
It's a moronic tactic because there will be many people who won't eat at his restaurants as a result and, more important, if obamacare is overhauled, or reversed, in later years, he will be forced to remove the surcharge whereas, if he just raised his prices, he wouldn't have the same need to remove the obamacare increases as the customers won't know the primary reason for the increase in the first place.
The guy is an @ hole because the way he is doing this will hurt his employees tips because he is trying to make a statement. I will take my business elsewhere and business will follow that means jobs will follow.
I do not really care what you think of Obamacare or of those who support or do not support it. I replied to this thread because of how I see this owner conducting his business not about how I feel about Obamacare that is another thread.
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
If I, or my daughter, worked at Denny's and this was passed off I'd immediately quit but not before speaking my mind.
Epitome of greed. The man owns 20 GODDAMN restaurants.
EVERYONE is going to have to chip in to make this a reality. I pay 30% of my gross pay to taxes, about 800$ every 2 weeks, but I don't complain. My brother just had massive brain surgery in Eastern Canada (free, btw) which would have cost 380k in the U.S, so I don't mind paying my cut.