Restaurant Owner to Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by elouina
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Wow you are right, such a man would be sooo very evil. Except for one small problem. Papa Johns are individually owned franchises that pay 5% of their profits to the main corporation. Plus they also have to pay up to 7% of net sales for those advertising promos. So the big Papa says free pizzas for everybody, and the mom and pop franchise owner has to jump. Which may mean mom and pop don't get to pay their homes mortgage that month.


Yet, the employees could be insured for less than $.25 added per pie


Instead society gets to pay for it.




posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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He can raise his prices if he wants, if it was me though i would have put a positive spin on it to make myself look like a good guy instead of disgruntled cry baby.

He could have explained the 5% surcharge as a means to provide his hard working employees with well deserved healthcare.The customers wouldn`t complain about that and he would look like the good guy.
Instead he takes the low road and makes himself look like a disgruntled cheapskate who is being forced to do something good for his employees by providing them with healthcare.

I think very few of the customers will mind paying the extra 5% since they know it will be used for a good cause
( providing healthcare for the employees) and isn`t being used as a means to just increase the companies profits..



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Unfortunately, as others have said.. it's within his right to do so. It's it a decent move? No. Is he a scum bag for passing it down to his employees? Of course he is.

The only way I can deal with it, is to not go to these places. I've already scratched Papa Johns off my list. I'll never eat there again. Why? Because he's doing the same scum bag move, all the while handing out 2 million free pizzas.

These CEO types are always going to piss and moan about their bottom line. God forbid they actually CARE about their employees and take care of them. Nope... we are all pawns helping to pad their wallets. Thank god I don't have to ever work at places like these.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by elouina
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Wow you are right, such a man would be sooo very evil. Except for one small problem. Papa Johns are individually owned franchises that pay 5% of their profits to the main corporation. Plus they also have to pay up to 7% of net sales for those advertising promos. So the big Papa says free pizzas for everybody, and the mom and pop franchise owner has to jump. Which may mean mom and pop don't get to pay their homes mortgage that month.


What part of 11 - 15 cents extra per pie to cover their employees didn't you catch?



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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And Obama had 4 years to fix this.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by elouina
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And Obama had 4 years to fix this.



And now he has 4 more



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Americanist
 


Wow you are right, such a man would be sooo very evil. Except for one small problem. Papa Johns are individually owned franchises that pay 5% of their profits to the main corporation. Plus they also have to pay up to 7% of net sales for those advertising promos. So the big Papa says free pizzas for everybody, and the mom and pop franchise owner has to jump. Which may mean mom and pop don't get to pay their homes mortgage that month.


What part of 11 - 15 cents extra per pie to cover their employees didn't you catch?





Oh wow, so pricey



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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I find it funny just how this thread is going. In this thread you see irony, hypocrites, and lovers of nanny state. It is like some cute jumbled up funny farm. That is why I am so happy the guy is doing this, it makes ATS more entertaining.
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Originally posted by Legion2024
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that is not telling you they are passing it on. At lest this guys is honest


Yes he is being honest, but he doesn't want his customers taking it out on him.... so he suggests that they compensate the extra tax on the bill with the amount they intend to tip.

So, from what I understand, the healthcare will be provided to the entire staff and not limited to the tipped employees.

It's just plain Shady.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Americanist
 


Wow you are right, such a man would be sooo very evil. Except for one small problem. Papa Johns are individually owned franchises that pay 5% of their profits to the main corporation. Plus they also have to pay up to 7% of net sales for those advertising promos. So the big Papa says free pizzas for everybody, and the mom and pop franchise owner has to jump. Which may mean mom and pop don't get to pay their homes mortgage that month.


What part of 11 - 15 cents extra per pie to cover their employees didn't you catch?


Actually according to the video Forbes magazine said it will cost a nickel $.05 and he is raising the cost to $.20 for a profit of $.15 and blaming it on healthcare and at the same time cutting hours and laying people off.

My math may be a little off but doesn’t that mean he is making a 150% profit from Obamacare?

If there is a D bag of the year award I nominate Papa. BTW did you see the mansion that guy lives in? The video had some foul language but it made its point and I found it kind of funny at the end.


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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Wow this thread is funny, for everybody getting their undies in a knot.... If the servers tips suffer because of a 5% surcharge to pay for Obamacare who is the scumbag, the owner or the people who withhold their tips? If it causes the business to go under it will only add to the problem. Less jobs = more people not paying their fair share. In a wonderland situation everybody would pay their fair share but obviously we are in the real world. Stop knocking the guy for making a statement about how he plans on paying for this mandate. Think how many other industries will be coming up with ways to cover the loss of revenue, fewer hours, smaller raises or just closing up shop. Obamacare was not the great fix lots of folks think it is. The same SOB's who were making big money before are going to make even more now. {For you slow folks that's insurance providers & pharmaceutical companies}



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Actually this was an erroneous rash statement. In a fairytale world it would be nice if healthcare was that cheap. Take a look at a pizza shop. Do you think they sell enough pizzas that it would only require 15 cents each to cover insurance? It takes 100,000 pizzas to cover one persons insurance. That is 273 pizzas a day, in a small pizza shop mind you. But now also consider this... Most Papa John franchises are EXEMPT from Obamacare. How many pizza shops do you know have greater than 50 employees?

The owner made a stupid statement and got slammed good for it. But how about another little known fact? The corporate Papa Johns division (the non franchise part) has health care for their employees! The franchises are responsible for their own expenses. But what did I just mention? Oh yeah... they are exempt! So really, Obamacare has no affect on Papa Johns what so ever. So he should have kept his mouth shut.

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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Yes he is being honest, but he doesn't want his customers taking it out on him.... so he suggests that they compensate the extra tax on the bill with the amount they intend to tip.

So, from what I understand, the healthcare will be provided to the entire staff and not limited to the tipped employees.

It's just plain Shady.


EXACTLY!







posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Hey WINDWORD!! Just want to say this was quite interesting for sure
It was very cool that you replied for me, so to speak, throughout the thread.
For you patients!!

ALSO:

Wouldn't a smarter more fair solution to his need for making a statement been along the lines of splitting the tax with his customers??

Advertise NOT raising prices, then offer to split the extra tax with the customer, in an effort to supply health care to his staff. I think the general public would support something they signed up for if it wasn't trying to throw people under the bus.

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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by elouina
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Wow you are right, such a man would be sooo very evil. Except for one small problem. Papa Johns are individually owned franchises that pay 5% of their profits to the main corporation. Plus they also have to pay up to 7% of net sales for those advertising promos. So the big Papa says free pizzas for everybody, and the mom and pop franchise owner has to jump. Which may mean mom and pop don't get to pay their homes mortgage that month.


What part of 11 - 15 cents extra per pie to cover their employees didn't you catch?


Actually according to the video Forbes magazine said it will cost a nickel $.05 and he is raising the cost to $.20 for a profit of $.15 and blaming it on healthcare and at the same time cutting hours and laying people off.

My math may be a little off but doesn’t that mean he is making a 150% profit from Obamacare?

If there is a D bag of the year award I nominate Papa. BTW did you see the mansion that guy lives in? The video had some foul language but it made its point and I found it kind of funny at the end.


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Now that's more in line with what I expected from Corporate America...

You got your greed with garlic butter to dip it in!



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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I've already scratched Papa Johns off my list. I'll never eat there again.


High five there!

But it's just not enough.
I'm going to "unsubscribe" Papa John's from my inbox! AHA!



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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.....Then I'd run a special breakfast:

The m
ns Over My Hammy Hash OhBacon Tax Breakfast!

The full 5% is on the house!



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:48 AM
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You gave me the impression that you were all for Obamacare and free Obamaphones. Thus why you were defending both.


Because I provided you accurate information about when free cell phones were established I am for free cell phones? Wow. Okay. Secondly, the healthcare act does not provide free insurance to employees. People who have no income have always had access to medical care ( Medicaid). So when you hate what you call Obamacare you are against providing insurance for: employees who have no insurance, people with preexisting medical conditions and college kids whose parents would have to pay for medical treatment out of their pockets. Finally, so that you are not confused of what I support here it is. I believe that anyone working 40 hours a week in this country should have access to healthcare. There is no valid reason that a country as innovative and prosperous as ours should deny medical care for it's working class. I do not hold contempt for anyone who is financially successful. My belief is that everyone should share the costs to uplift our country not just the working class.When the financially comfortable demand sacrifices from people who are already experiencing hardship yet do not make sacrifices themselves it is wrong and counter productive for the growth of a country.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but what employer is actually going to foot the bill for Obama care? They will pass the cost on to the customer unless their business model somehow precludes this possibility. You don't think they'll accept less profit do you? I know the big corporations never accept that. They lay off workers, move operations over seas, raise prices, cut quality, cut benefits, etc.

Like everything this falls on the consumer. It is mostly a paper work hassle for most employers.

But there is good in all the bad. Whether we agree with Obama or not, having everyone insured is not a bad thing. IMO universal healthcare isn't inherantly bad. It works in most of the world (sure we can now cite the countries that execute it poorly as proof that it is bad). I had an aunt who worked hard all her life and never took from the system. She got cancer and could no longer work so she lost her insurance. Sure, she had medicaid, but medicaid won't cover enough of the cost of many high end treatments to make it available to working class people. She died having not even tried treatments that may have saved her because she couldn't foot the tens of thousands of dollars that medicaid wouldn't pay. Say what you want, but the medical system has a way of denying service to people who aren't profitable.

So too, as consumers we can forego much of this added expense since it will ultimately fall on our shoulders to pay. We simply consume less goods and services. I doubt that'll hurt most of us since we already have more than most people on earth ever dream of. And, the idea of taxes occuring at the consumer level rather than income or profit level is ideal I think. The rich consume the most and thus pay the most in consumption taxes (whether that be direct or indirect taxation). It's a pay to play concept where those who don't play don't pay. I know income taxes will rise some. However, I've personally looked over the changes brought about by Obama care and the oft cited $2k increase for the average family is a bit exagerated, probably by political interests. In my household the increase is about $500/yr and is partially offset by certain new rules in Obamacare regarding healthcare services.

It may sound like I'm a huge fan of Obamacare. I'm not. I think it's a poorly crafted program that is inefficient. But, like I said there are some good things to be found in it.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Wow this thread is funny, for everybody getting their undies in a knot.... If the servers tips suffer because of a 5% surcharge to pay for Obamacare who is the scumbag, the owner or the people who withhold their tips?


You forgot the real scumbags, the people who are forcing Obamacare on everyone. It is a disaster and the cost will be staggering even before we figure in the secondary costs to business owners and now the customers who will have to pay extra.



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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Also the Unions got waivers. something to think about, the average business owner didn't get a waiver. Something really wrong here. If Obamacare was so great why did all the Unions jump to get waivers? I thought these socialist wanted it?

And if you think business is slow now, just wait till this all really gets going. It is going to bring business to a slower crawl than it already is. It is not a fix for the economy or health.

Also inflation is going to spiral out of control, raising costss of verything even more.

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