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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by windword



WOW! I bet you charge customers for drinks that you don't ring up too.

Look, if a customer hands you a 100 dollar bill, up and above your tip, put it in your pocket, sure. But the IRS will get their 8% tax on your sales. Like Mitt says, don't pay a penny MORE than you have to.


Nope, certainly dont steal from my employer. I have a cushy gig, only an idiot would be willing to risk that for the price of a few drinks.

Dont forget, he who controls the POS system controls what is reported under what number.

Through deductions and zero withholdings, its very possible to pay zero.

I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone, simply saying it is very naive to assume all tip earners pay taxes.




posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Flatfish
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I too saw this story in the news today. I'll just bet that restaurant owner has great healthcare insurance.

My wife & I have decided to stop in, every time we see a Denny's or Dairy Queen, just to privately tip a waitress. Actually, we'll call it a healthcare gift, that way it doesn't have to be shared with their employer as it was not for services rendered while under his employ.

Then we're going to eat somewhere else.




Remember, the itemization won't kick in till January 2014.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Theft would imply taking something belonging to the restaurant. If you saw a situation like that happen in the past, you shouldve screamed bloody murder for it was the establishment breaking the law, not the employee.

Tips belong to the server/bartender, not the establishment. They are not temporarily the property of the establishment until the server goes home/clocks out/whatever.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Yep and punishing the employees for Obamacare is going to hurt his business in the long run.

As someone else said, we're all going to have to give a little to get a little.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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For some reason I hadn't considered the more-servers-may-not-claim-their-tips angle. A VERY likely possibility. Even for some of the honest ones who are presently doing "the right thing."


there is a mandatory percentage taxed regardless.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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He could have simply raised the prices of meals or cut the employees hours to part-time (which many companies are doing).

Rather than doing the above, he added a surcharge.

Personally, I like to eat at Denny's and will continue doing so.

Knowing the 5% surcharge will be going to the waiter, waitress or chef's healthcare should make you feel good.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010
Talk about taking the fast track to bankruptcy. Screwing customers over isn't the best way to stay in business.
edit on 15-11-2012 by buster2010 because: (no reason given)


I like this comment, but reading it made me think how appropriate it is to be meant for Obama and obamacare. We are now Obama's customers, but he is screwing us over with forced purchasing of health insurance.

Imagine having a business where you could have customers fined and possibly jailed for not buying your product!

This is what we the people now have with obamacare..



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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That's the way it was when I worked for Hyatt and Sheraton Hotels. All credit charges and room charges were paid by paycheck, every 2 weeks. We only kept cash tips ourselves. Payroll also allocated our tip outs to our stewards (bussers) and bartenders based on our sales and those tips.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
There is nothing capitalistic about companies getting bailouts and incentives from the government. Why is it only socialism when citizens receive help?


And why are you putting words in peoples mouths? Perhaps we don't feel bailouts or corporate welfare are appropriate either? I know I certainly don't. Perhaps you ought to look into your Obamas buddies history of bailouts and corporate welfare. The same person that put down Romney on getting rid of subsidies for "big bird". I would much rather see someone have health insurance than to see subsidized cars or television programs. My cousin got an Obama tax write off on a green car to the tune of $20,000. And that "extra money" that paid for Obama phones? Well, you decide, which is more important?

We really do need the crap removed from our budget. And Obama is not planning any such thing. Romney would have, and as much as I didn't care for his personality, he would have kicked butt.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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The older I've gotten, the more I've realized that one of the biggest, most corrupt and evil industries out there, is MEDICAL. And there are different aspects to this.


1- Doctors should be paid well for their hard work. I still believe a lot of them are at least a little "over paid," when compared to your typical income. However, they are far from the worst offenders.

2-The worst offenders are manufacturers of medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, and insurance. Some very crooked and messed up industries, IMO.

They charge A LOT for their products and services. Why? Because they can. Simple as that. People need to be healthy, so they will pay or do what they need to. Since all the major companies seem to be "in on the joke" so to speak, it's even worse.



Stop me if you've heard this one:

Q: What happened when the small start-up company produced a groundbreaking medication or device which cured a major ailment or otherwise made treatment cheaper for patients?

A: They were bought out by a major conglomerate.




Oh, wait... that wasn't funny at all. But it's true.







Originally posted by Char-Lee
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For some reason I hadn't considered the more-servers-may-not-claim-their-tips angle. A VERY likely possibility. Even for some of the honest ones who are presently doing "the right thing."


there is a mandatory percentage taxed regardless.



I'm not sure that is the case in all states. I can tell you that DEFINITELY isn't the case in all tipped professions. I have known tipped employees who rarely-to-never reported their tips. In some cases for numerous years or a decade+.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iwilliam
Let me put this another way, briefly:

The late Sam Walton is the guy who started and build Wal-Mart.

Wal Mart, as we know, is one of the biggest companies out there. Huge.

Where would wal-mart or Sam Walton have ended up without the labor of MILLIONS of other people?

I'll tell you where -- a small mom and pop store with only Walton and maybe one or two other employees. And that's all it EVER would have been.


So Sam provided a living wage for those millions of people too, dont forget that. He also offers merchandise at a very low cost that benefits millions more people.


Walmart provide a living wage?


After it was reported that the heirs of Walmart were worth the same amount as the bottom 40 percent of Americans, you probably thought there couldn’t possibly be anymore reasons to hate the colossal seller of crappy merchandise. Paying its Chinese workers a nickel-an-hour to make more Snuggies and making its octogenarian greeters stand for hours in order to say hello to shoppers who belch and fart in their direction is really appalling, but that it reaps the biggest benefits from the food stamp program–the evil socialist program that dares to allow working families to eat something other than discarded paint chips, and the very program that Republicans smear and want to destroy–truly ups the ante.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages force employees to need approximately $420,000 per year, per store, totalling $2.66 BILLION annually in food stamps and other taxpayer assistance…to survive.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages cost the country HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars in payroll tax deductions for Federal, State, and Local taxes.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages cost our communities the ability to hire and retain important public service workers like firefighters, police officers, maintenance workers, and teachers.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages cost our communities with their increased need for those same public services they are underfunding.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages and lack of covered benefits cost taxpayers over $1.02 BILLION a year in healthcare costs.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages cost taxpayers as much as $225 MILLION in free and reduced price lunches for school-age children.
•Walmart’s intentionally low wages cost taxpayers over $780 MILLION in tax deductions for low-income families.
www.addictinginfo.org...


More than a dozen other states have reported large numbers of big-box employees and their dependents relying on health and welfare programs:

•In Florida, according to state data obtained by the St. Petersburg Times, 12,300 Wal-Mart employees and their dependents are enrolled in the state’s Medicaid program.
•Massachusetts spent nearly $3 million last year providing health insurance coverage for Wal-Mart employees and their dependents. Other top users of state welfare programs included employees of Dunkin Donuts, Stop & Shop, CVS, and Home Depot.
•In Arkansas, Wal-Mart’s home state, 3,971 of its employees rely on some form of public assistance
www.ilsr.org...

Meanwhile:

The Walton Family is by far the richest family in the world (the dispersed fortunes of the Rockefellers and others being unknown to the public), their wealth inherited from Bud and Sam Walton, founders of the world’s biggest retailer,Wal-Mart.The Waltons have a combined wealth of US$93 billion according to Forbes 2011 billionaires list.

www.therichest.org...

Welfare to keep the rich richer.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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There's a lot of industries that receive tips, but they're not recorded by the company, like valets and taxi cabs. When I go the a hairdresser, they don't offer a line on my credit charge slip to add gratuity, so I have to remember to bring cash for a tip, same with most massage practitioners (massueses?).



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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To all those that think Denny's should eat the cost of Obamacare, you may want to remember this one fact....

In Dec 2011 Denny's was listed as the number one restaurant at risk for bankruptcy.

It looks like he had no choice about footing the bill himself, and likely feels this may be the deed that tips him into bankruptcy. He must be desperate.
And I for one have sympathy for him. Welcome to the world of Obamacare.

I do feel we should be watching this top list of 14 restaurants bordering on bankruptcy to see how they handle this. Lets be constructive here and follow up on this ok?


14. Red Robin
13. Sonic
12. Ruby Tuesday
11. Carrols Restaurant Group (Pollo Tropical, Taco Cabana)
10. Einstein Noah Restaurant Group
9. O'Charley's (its namesake as well as Ninety Nine Restaurant and Stoney River Legendary Steaks)
8. Ruth's Hospitality Group (Ruth's Chris Steak House, Mitchell's Fish Market)
7. McCormick & Schmick's
6. Bravo Brio Restaurant Group (BRAVO! Cucina Italiana and BRIO Tuscan Grille)
5. Domino's Pizza
4. DineEquity (IHOP, Applebee's)
3. Morton's Restaurant Group
2. Wendy's/Arby's
1. Denny's


Which American Restaurant Chains Might Go Under?

Now think about all the other companies out there that we don't have a handy list for? Making money isn't as easy as you would like to think.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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No two companies are alike. Nor do they have the same financial outlook. Right now, Walmart is in compliance with Obamacare. How about that? Yes, they do provide health insurance. But I would like to see your Obama friend increase the minimum wage to $9.50 and hour like he promised 4 years ago. Then our Walmart friends could afford to get the insurance.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by iwilliam
 


There's a lot of industries that receive tips, but they're not recorded by the company, like valets and taxi cabs. When I go the a hairdresser, they don't offer a line on my credit charge slip to add gratuity, so I have to remember to bring cash for a tip, same with most massage practitioners (massueses?).



1- I don't know that tips for servers are recorded absolutely everywhere

2- You mention a line on your credit card slip-- a lot of people do still pay cash. I don't think I've EVER personally charged a meal. Even if I were using a card, I would be likely to pay the tip in cash, for various reasons.




Originally posted by FreebirdGirl

...Walmart provide a living wage?...



I missed the precise ("living") wording of that post, so I was, to be clear, not agreeing with that specific part.

I agree that minimum wage is NOT a "living wage" in most places... even those states with higher minimums than the national. Anyone who thinks that's liveable probably haven't tried any time too recently... unless you're blessed with the rare job that's willing to give plenty of overtime. In which case you're still working insane hours just to get by comfortably.

And those were some great figures. Thanks for posting.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by hawkiye
ha ha ha too funny how everyone is bagging on this guy for being greedy when all the other restaurants will just raise their prices and not say a word. But all the geniuses claim they will take their business elsewhere (and pay the same higher prices but not have to think about why) and the severs will look elsewhere so they can get better tips. LOL higher prices will effect tips whether they are known or not. At least this guy is letting the people know why the prices are higher...

Here is my prediction his business will do just fine. More businesses should do this so people can start getting a clue on how things actually work instead of thinking prices rise by osmosis and welfare grows freely on trees and stop supporting idiots like Obama Bush Romney Clinton and the whole anti-liberty crowd that has been ruining this country for decades...

edit on 15-11-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)


Tips are almost always given on the amount of the check. Higher prices = higher tips. in that respect he is screwing over the servers even more.

I'm sorry but you are wrong for the most part. Yes tips are pretty good at nice restaurants and nice people tip pretty good most of the time but a good amount of people will either stiff the waiter or not tip the regular amount. This is comming from me who worked as a waiter all through high school, I have alot of family and friends who work or worked in the restaurant industry, and I been around the restaurant business since I was a kid.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Walmart provide a living wage?


My sister was a greater, they don't have a title now, she makes almost 18$ an hour full benefits after less then 2 years at Wal-Mart. Wish i had her job.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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5% surcharge... what pathetic little losers. It's such a childish reaction.

Poor wittle republican has all that wittle poo in his pants because of Obama!!!



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by elouina

Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
There is nothing capitalistic about companies getting bailouts and incentives from the government. Why is it only socialism when citizens receive help?


And why are you putting words in peoples mouths? Perhaps we don't feel bailouts or corporate welfare are appropriate either? I know I certainly don't. Perhaps you ought to look into your Obamas buddies history of bailouts and corporate welfare. The same person that put down Romney on getting rid of subsidies for "big bird". I would much rather see someone have health insurance than to see subsidized cars or television programs. My cousin got an Obama tax write off on a green car to the tune of $20,000. And that "extra money" that paid for Obama phones? Well, you decide, which is more important?

We really do need the crap removed from our budget. And Obama is not planning any such thing. Romney would have, and as much as I didn't care for his personality, he would have kicked butt.


First of all free cell phones were granted by G.W.Bush. They are a continuation of an old law established by the FCC.The money is provided by the universal tax on your cell phone bill. You would pay this tax regardless of the free cell phones. Secondly, Romney would have done the same as Obama or worse. Where was Romney's outcry when the bailouts were given? You believe Romney was against giving these guys money? He has corporate campaign donors as well. What is this "your Obama"? I don't personally know him and I did not vote for him. He is every American's president. So please keep me out of your partisan crap. Since you have partisan memory lapse let me remind you G.W. Bush was responsible for implementing the bailouts. Why the outcry over health and education entitlements? We spend as much on defense then welfare programs. I do not advocate war yet my tax dollars are spent on bullets and bombs. I would much rather my tax dollars go to improve education and healthcare for all citizens.The reality is that everyone who pays taxes are paying for some program that they may not agree with. The difference is most people don't make it a political issue.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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OH Snap!! Looks like I found my reading materal for tonight!! Thanks for the post windword, I'll probably be back!!






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