it seems this restaurant owner thinks his employees are slaves.

obama put a stop to his exploitation of his low paid employees and now this evil bitter douchebag is trying to stick it to obama by passing the cost on to the customer while at the same time punishing his waitresses.

i predict this idiot will be out of business in 6 months.

who would eat in a restaurant where you have to choose a) pay separately for the owners health insurance costs or b) not leave a tip because you're angry at the restaurant owner in which case you punish a low paid worker that had nothing to do with any of it.

i wonder how enjoyable a meal at this place would be. you end up walking out an a**hole either way.

i would choose c) give the waitress a $20 to put her pocket and tell her it's completely hers and nobody else's and leave nothing as a tip where this miserable greedy bastard can get his hands on it.

Originally posted by Thepump


Condescension does not help

Yes I have.

I consider healthcare to be a question general welfare, 8 times more people alive today are without
access to healthcare, than there were inhabitants of this nation in 1776.

Then you know nothing of the general welfare clause.

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison

Unless you believe you know the Constitution better than Jefferson or Madison, your contention is factually wrong.

See healthcare listed anywhere in A1S8? No. Doctors existed in the late 1700's. The idea that people get sick and would seek care existed back then too. If there was meant to be publicly funded healthcare, it wouldve been one of the few Constitutionally authorized expenditures.

It is not. No matter what 9 retards in black robes say, or what the degenerates in Congress and the White House say.

1- I'm sure the massive healtcare costs also have nothing to do with the massive salaries paid to doctors and other medical personnel, or medical procedures or equipment being over-billed. No connection whatsoever. /sarcasm

2- If you think that the cost of everything, across the board, will increase as a result of stuff like this, to the point where it is completely unaffordable to "average people," (I think so far this has mostly been worded as "poor," but I'd like to give a more accurate depiction of what we're discussing) then what do you think will happen to those businesses when they hike their products' costs so high that most of their present consumer base can not afford consumption, just to keep their profits high, and their own inflated salaries high?

Yes, that's right... they will lose business. Then what will they do? Charge EVEN MORE to make up for the cost of all the stuff that people are not buying?

I think what really scares the rich people, is they know that no matter what, if taken to the extreme, policies like this will level the playing field considerably. And they're terrified of being one of the pleebs. Terrified that they'll have to work just as hard, for just as much money as the guy next door. Terrified that they can no longer profit off the sweat of the many, while the many who have elevated them to their privileged positions suffer in relative poverty and sickness.

3- For some reason I hadn't considered the more-servers-may-not-claim-their-tips angle. A VERY likely possibility. Even for some of the honest ones who are presently doing "the right thing."

48 locations

asshole probably has his own island somehwere

greedy pig

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm

Originally posted by Thepump


Condescension does not help

Yes I have.

I consider healthcare to be a question general welfare, 8 times more people alive today are without
access to healthcare, than there were inhabitants of this nation in 1776.

Then you know nothing of the general welfare clause.

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison

Unless you believe you know the Constitution better than Jefferson or Madison, your contention is factually wrong.

See healthcare listed anywhere in A1S8? No. Doctors existed in the late 1700's. The idea that people get sick and would seek care existed back then too. If there was meant to be publicly funded healthcare, it wouldve been one of the few Constitutionally authorized expenditures.

It is not. No matter what 9 retards in black robes say, or what the degenerates in Congress and the White House say.

We don't hide horses or keep people in chains for free labor any more either.

Times will keep on changing

Giving everyone access to a doctor is not evil, it is right.

Murderers and POWs get better treatment

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by elouina

To be honest ALL business owners need to get together and point out to the under educated exactly what the repercussions will be for their supposed "free ride".

"under educated" ??...You do realize that education level was one of the strongest indicators that a voter was going to vote for Obama...Obamacare and all?

Can you provide proof of this? To be honest I personally saw the exact opposite. I saw deans of colleges, teachers, judges, and lawyers that all wept when Obama won. But since you are stating this as a general fact, and not a personal observation, the proof lies with you.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
48 locations

asshole probably has his own island somehwere

greedy pig

Damn him for being successful!!!!!!!!!

That what you meant to say?

Originally posted by Thepump

Giving everyone access to a doctor is not evil, it is right.

Murderers and POWs get better treatment

It certainly is not a right. You cannot force others to pay for your right. You cannot place someone (in this case a doctor) in servitude in order to fulfill this perceived "right"

If you truly believe this is a right, then you must also believe the government should provide firearms to every citizen as well correct?

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm

Originally posted by Thepump

Giving everyone access to a doctor is not evil, it is right.

Murderers and POWs get better treatment

It certainly is not a right. You cannot force others to pay for your right. You cannot place someone (in this case a doctor) in servitude in order to fulfill this perceived "right"

If you truly believe this is a right, then you must also believe the government should provide firearms to every citizen as well correct?

Exactly! When forced to buy car insurance, who pays for it? Should we make this a right also? Hey everyone!!! Free phones, free car insurance and free medical insurance! Whoop!! Whoop!!!

Originally posted by iwilliam
Let me put this another way, briefly:

The late Sam Walton is the guy who started and build Wal-Mart.

Wal Mart, as we know, is one of the biggest companies out there. Huge.

Where would wal-mart or Sam Walton have ended up without the labor of MILLIONS of other people?

I'll tell you where -- a small mom and pop store with only Walton and maybe one or two other employees. And that's all it EVER would have been.

So Sam provided a living wage for those millions of people too, dont forget that. He also offers merchandise at a very low cost that benefits millions more people.

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
48 locations

asshole probably has his own island somehwere

greedy pig

Damn him for being successful!!!!!!!!!

That what you meant to say?

Many years ago I was going to purchase a business. But decided the risk of putting up my home and livelihood (job)was too much of a risk. And that the required long hours would have ruined the happiness of my life. Some business owners will lose everything while others will win. And they deserve to be successful for taking such risks and putting hard work into it.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by iwilliam
Let me put this another way, briefly:

The late Sam Walton is the guy who started and build Wal-Mart.

Wal Mart, as we know, is one of the biggest companies out there. Huge.

Where would wal-mart or Sam Walton have ended up without the labor of MILLIONS of other people?

I'll tell you where -- a small mom and pop store with only Walton and maybe one or two other employees. And that's all it EVER would have been.

So Sam provided a living wage for those millions of people too, dont forget that. He also offers merchandise at a very low cost that benefits millions more people.

Absolutely true. However, that does not negate my point. Without those millions of workers, he could never have had more than a small mom-and-pop store. Which means his company would not have seen the millions and BILLIONS in profits that it has. Yet the guys at the top of that company somehow deserve a six or seven figure salary, but those millions of workers who were instrumental in building the company and bringing in those profits should have to struggle just to make ends meet, or pay 1/3 of their wages just to have health insurance?

I don't know why this seems so hard for people to understand. (I'm not referring to you, specifically, as you did not disagree, per se. I'm just mentioning...)

Originally posted by windword

I having a hard time taking you seriously. If you're a bartender you know that you HAVE to declare a certain amount tips. Even if all your tips were in cash, and not recorded on the credit card receipt that has your employee number on it, the IRS would still expect you to pay tax on 8% of your sales. That's not negotiable on "bad" days, that's an average that is held to the standard to take into account "bad" days and tip out.

Since youre familiar with the industry, you should also know that very few people actually report all tips.

HAVING to declare tips is like HAVING to submit the sales tax to your state when you purchase online. Sure it should be done, but not everyone does it. I dont know how long you have spent in the service industry, but think real hard and see if you recall anyone ever being audited? I'm 34, been bartending since the day I turned 19, and not once have I ever met someone who was audited. Without going into trade secrets , there are plenty of ways to avoid reporting the 8% as well.

I don't know about where you work, but for the past decades, all my paychecks reflected my total sales, as well as my hourly wages and declared tips. Any major discrepancy in those figures will bring an IRS audit down on, not only you, but the entire house!

My paychecks reflect my credit card tips, my hourly wage, and my tip outs from the servers. Different states have different laws in regards to tips. In my home state, the server is responsible for declaring their tips through our POS system. (Micros)

Furthermore, it's just stupid and immature not to see the future need for reporting you accurate earnings. If you get hurt or loose your job, those reported tips are part of the percentage factored into your EDD or TDI benefits.

Well stupid and immature is your opinion, do not state it as fact. I set aside a percentage of my weekly tips as a reserve fund in case I get hurt/unemployed/alien abducted for ransom.

If you want to buy a car or a house, your credit rating is based on your earnings. When I was in the process of buying my house, if I had only reported the minimum wage that my employer paid me, minus my tips, which was a few times higher that my wages, I never would have been given the credit to buy my home.

That is a downside for people who choose to use credit. Personally I do not. As stated before, I havent had a bank account in over a decade, purchased my truck and my wifes car in cash (as a side benefit, you can usually get items cheaper when paying cash), and already own land and a small house but I rent my primary residence. I have no desire to purchase a home, so credit will not be needed. As hard as it may be for some to believe, there is a large number of people who choose to live outside of the "normal way of doing things". I dont want credit. I dont want to do business with a bank, prepaid debit cards work just fine for paying my bills.

Hopefully that cleared it up for you.