The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by adjensen
No, Catholics do not worship the Pope, the saints, or Mary. Take ten minutes to research Catholicism from sources that aren't steeped in hatred, like
yours appear to be, and you'd know that.
I've spent more then ten minutes researching Catholicism, more like 4 years going to Catholic high school. Although he might be stating it somewhat
incorrectly, fundamentally what he is saying is accurate. Most Christians do not consider Catholicism to be Christianity. Just a few of the top reason
1)Salvation through both faith and works.
2)Papal infallibility... Which is actually a left over from the Roman Emperors being Pontifex Maximus, and claiming to “speak as gods”.
3)Prayer to anyone else besides God.
5) Purgatory. This was nothing more then a manufactured Catholic dogma to support Indulgence sales.
6) Catholic tradition having the same weight as scripture.
7) Papal decrees holding more weight then scripture.
Originally posted by adjensen
Did you know that before they called themselves Catholics, they were called Romans? That's right! And they used to take Christians and throw us
to the lions. They even used to throw us up on crosses and light our heads on fire, until one of their fancy emperors decided there was enough money
to be made by creating a state religion based on Christianity.
That is one of the stupidest things I've read in recent memory.
The Catholic church was started by the Apostles, following the death of Christ and has been the same church ever since -- the Eastern Orthodox left
the Catholic church in 1054 and the Protestants left the Catholic church, starting in the 16th Century, but it is the Catholic church that goes all
the way back to the people being thrown to the lions.
If you believe that Constantine created the Catholic church in 320AD, then he also subsequently created all Orthodox and Protestant offshoots, as they
stem from the very same church that existed in 320AD. However, conspiracy nuts aside, rest assured that Constantine didn't create anything... he
wasn't even a Christian until he was on his deathbed, if then.
Hold on to your seat because you're not going to like this:
In fact the Roman Catholic Church as it stands has nothing to do with the original Church of Rome, and I can guarantee you that Peter would NEVER have
accepted the title of Pope or Pontiff.
Do you realize that the line of popes actually goes back to Damasus I
, and prior to him the
title was held by Roman Emperors, including Nero, who was the biggest prosecutor of Christians in history, next to the Catholic Church itself (the
Catholic Church has killed more Christians then anyone in history).
Anyway, the reason is the title of Pontifex Maximus
was a Roman Title for the head of the
collage of Pagan Churches. The title was almost always held by an Emperor, though on rare occasion it was granted to a senator. The position of the
Pontifex Maximus matches exactly with the description in Daniel of the 'Little Horn', and the title conveyed much of the power of the old Emperors
over to the Popes.
, who was a Christian, refused to accept the title as “unsuitable for a Christian to
hold this office”. He disbanded the Vestal's and removed much of the pagan influence from Rome. At the same time the Catholic Church was taking this
pagan stuff, and canonizing it into their version of the Catholic Religion. The Pontifex Maximus became the Holy Pontiff, the Vestals became nuns,
Slowly the Church became more powerful then the Emperors were, and exerted its influence into politics. Using religion to control the masses as well
as the governments of Europe. In doing so they took such great liberties with their interpretations of the Bible, that it finally drove the Protestant
Reformation into existence.
A Christian from the original Church of Rome would not recognize present Catholicism as being a Christian Religion.
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