All you would do is shoot the price of beef and milk up.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by butcherguy

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Are you advocating a sales tax to consumers, NOT a tax on producers?

???

this is a function of our "industrial/commercial" manipulation of nature... so I am reticent to allow them to define the solution.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by Maxmars

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this is a function of our "industrial/commercial" manipulation of nature... so I am reticent to allow them to define the solution.

Agreed - it's the corporate industrialization of food production that's the problem here, and the sheer numbers of cattle required to boost and maintain the bottom line. Time for a new "food business" model methinks.

(See post above.)

...Mom and Pop can't produce enough on their own to feed 300 million Americans and every country that imports our food products.

The amount of food wasted in the United States is staggering. In 2010, more than 34 million tons of food waste was generated, more than any other material category but paper. Food waste accounted for almost 14 percent of the total municipal solid waste stream, less than three percent of which was recovered and recycled in 2010. The rest —33 million tons— was thrown away, making food waste the single largest component of MSW reaching landfills and incinerators.

Generating food waste has significant economic as well as environmental consequences.

I don't think you can come up with a cogent argument as to why we should deliberately make food more expensive.

...The other problem is the HUGE increase in meat consumption in modern society. ...You can't really blame the corporations - they are just filling our demand for more and more and more beef.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by kaylaluv

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...The other problem is the HUGE increase in meat consumption in modern society. ...You can't really blame the corporations - they are just filling our demand for more and more and more beef.

Ever heard of public relations (PR)? Marketing? Advertising? ...You bet your sweet booty we can blame the corporations. They CREATED the market and industrialized cattle production. All to increase the "profit per unit" by "economy of scale" - and jack the bottom line.


Good post btw - thanks and S&

What I do care about is not going out of our way to make the worlds poor pay more for food they already can't afford or are having a hard time affording.

You just want to punish an industry for what you think are bad practices.

I want to make sure we're not compounding the price of food between inflation and taxation.

The amount of food wasted in the United States is staggering. In 2010, more than 34 million tons of food waste was generated, more than any other material category but paper. Food waste accounted for almost 14 percent of the total municipal solid waste stream, less than three percent of which was recovered and recycled in 2010. The rest —33 million tons— was thrown away, making food waste the single largest component of MSW reaching landfills and incinerators.

Generating food waste has significant economic as well as environmental consequences.

A relationship of economic significance that you "lets tax everything under the sun" people never seem to understand.

I like beef.

Originally posted by butcherguy

All that wasted gas, you mean the factory farms have not yet figured out how to put a tube up the cows wazu to get that natural gas?

reply to post by fnpmitchreturns

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I have been working with a number of companies that are capturing some methane, but not from the cattle's bums.
They are installing waste treatment plants at factory farms. Methane captured from the treatment plant's digesters is burned to create energy and take the methane out of the greenhouse gas mix.

There's a HUGE difference between my Daddy's beef and the crap you get at the supermarket or fast food joint.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by soficrow

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There's a HUGE difference between my Daddy's beef and the crap you get at the supermarket or fast food joint.

100% agreement there!

I grew up eating organic beef and wild things. No GMO. No antibiotics. No crazy pesticides and herbicides. Now they spray the fields with stuff that kills everything but a single species of plant. Scary stuff.