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Let's say we have a bag of M&M's, We alternate eating them until there is 1 left. We both had the same amount. With the last one, you would be happy if I ate the last one. I eat the last one, but I feel guilty. If I had empathy, I shouldn't feel guilt, because you were happy for me to eat the last one. Thus, putting myself in your shoes I should feel happy. But I feel greedy because I ate 1 more than you. These emotions mean nothing pertaining to morality. With empathy being a "feeling" we could have regardless of it pertaining to morality, let's us know empathy is not the basis of morality.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Asktheanimals
So explain why they "know" it's the right thing to do?
We don't "know"... we "feel". It's called empathy... and the feeling of empathy leads straight to the golden rule. We feel empathy when we see another living being harmed or taken advantage of, because we can put ourselves in their shoes and understand the suffering they might be feeling. Through this empathy we can develop a sense of morality and learn to treat others in a way we would like to be treated.
On the other hand... how can I "know" the book of Christianity and its rules are correct? Answer: I can't, and all evidence indicates it's simply a man made religious text made from a concoction of older myths and tales.
As an atheist; Do you think it's ok to lie? If not, why?
Christians actually believe morals are written on mans heart. We still has free will.
That's why man feels guilt.
When I was a kid I lied on my brother, and he got a whippin'.
I totally agree. With no moral compass, man would give in to animal desires.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by randyvs
A Human Beings Biological Imperative to breed...which is a construct of our Animal Instinctive Drive to have SEX with anyone that is attractive to us...thus Multiple Partners...Forget Monogamy...and these go against many Religious Doctrines are only considered IMMORAL if it is a Human Being doing it as apposed to an Animal.
Morality is a thing of Social and Religious Indoctrination and has nothing to do with a persons real reasoning behind what they are Genetically disposed to do. Split Infinity
I actually admitted to lying in the post that you quoted.
Originally posted by smilesmcgee
Are you telling us that you have never lied before?
Atheists will only lie for the same reasons you do.
It doesn't make it true, but morality can only be brought on objectively. So an Atheist saying they have a monopoly on Morality is laughable, because that is only subjective morality, and that can change with the whim of the people.
That is what Christians believe, but it does it make it true without doubt?
Whipping is not a sin. It may be a crime, depending on the government.
As a Christian, do you believe the whipping falls in line with the Christian view of morality? Do you think the person who inflicted the punishment should burn in hell for their crime. (IF you believe it was a crime.)?
I believe so....You see what I did there?
Do you have proof of this, reflected in your scripture?
As I've said, a whipping is moral.
I dare say, that the whipping was the moral thing to do. After all, if ripping babies out of their mothers was moral in the OT (Hosea 13:16) (and you can't cherry pick your bible passages as moral or not, if you are a Christian, that means you have to take the whole Bible as your god's word, don't forget.), then why can't child whipping also be moral?
I'm not sure what you're asking.
Because society tells you it is wrong, and if you want to live to old age, you better do what is good in society?
To an atheist morality has to be relative. To a Christian, the Bible is a moral compass.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by addygrace
That Big Brain of ours also allows us to pick and choose what we believe to be Moral or Not. Morality is RELATIVE. For some people just about anything that is written in some Religious Text must be adhered to as they fear the possible penalties and desire the rewards.
Proof negates belief, I think.
Now I wonder how that group would believe if it was possible to prove that GOD is nothing like what they have been taught it was. How fast would they hold to their Moral Concepts? Split Infinity
i wonder why the atheists are more irrational than religious and religious are more immoral than atheists.
Originally posted by PerfectAnomoly
A thought ocurred to me today....
Poeple that follow any religion need their religion to tell them how to behave, how to treat others, and what to believe/think.... they are forced into doing good things by their religious doctrine... blackmailed if you will.... or they will never gain access to the "next level"...
Atheists however, have no doctrine.. no guidelines... we are just good people because we know it is the right thing to do.... we don't need to be blackmailed into doing good..... common sense and reason dictate that it is the best thing to do for all parties....
I therefore propose that atheists pratice true morality... not morality born out of threats and promises....
PA.edit on 15-11-2012 by PerfectAnomoly because: Spelling..
Originally posted by 7Visionz
There are way too many over-generalizations here. Lumping all atheists or all religious people into an A or B categories of morality is far from realistic.