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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by sheepslayer247
I dispute that actually. Have you ever even seen little kids? They smack each other, steal each other's toys, etc, until they get yelled at enough(if they are lucky enough to have parents that give a crap) to know it's probably not a good idea.
Morality is learned, first from your parents, then as you grow older and go to indoctrination camp, I mean school, from society constructs. The difference is, morality learned from a bible thumper, it's wrong, because god will toss you in hell. Morality learned from an athiest, it's wrong because "insert secular logic here". Morality learned from a hippy, it's wrong, and karma will bite you in the ass for it. Etc.
edit on Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:02:25 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PerfectAnomoly
reply to post by phroziac
thanks for the swift reply Phroziac!
I assume you would classify yourself as an atheist?
PA
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by windword
If ownership is not imperative in morality, how could we possibly steal anything?
See, even in the type of societies you are speaking of, one does own things. Your own life, products of your labor, your survival. If I take a raw piece of wood and work it into a bow, it is my bow.
We do not reject private property ownership.
We are taught to respect all life, but not to the point to where we are not going to consume it to survive. We take an animal life, and use it for energy as nature intended. We use as much of the animal as possible.
Yeah, I am half native
CHIEF SEATTLE'S LETTER
"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?
Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.
We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.
www.barefootsworld.net...
Originally posted by Ireminisce
Also, if you're going by an atheist view, people created religions along with the religious morals, so how could religious people's morals be any less valuable than an atheists?
Originally posted by phroziac
Youre welcome. And i dont exactly classify myself as an atheist. But i dont believe in the god of any religion either. I do consider myself to be a buddhist as well....i believe that "god" is all of the energy in the universe. Things create themselves, out of god...if you get what i mean? So we all have the ability of god like powers that we just mostly havent unlocked. I do have small evidences for it, but no proof.
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by sheepslayer247
I dispute that actually. Have you ever even seen little kids? They smack each other, steal each other's toys, etc, until they get yelled at enough(if they are lucky enough to have parents that give a crap) to know it's probably not a good idea.
Morality is learned ...
Originally posted by Ireminisce
Also, if you're going by an atheist view, people created religions along with the religious morals, so how could religious people's morals be any less valuable than an atheists?
Originally posted by Ireminisce
reply to post by Toadmund
All I'm saying is that It's arrogant to believe your morals are better or purer just because you aren't religious. Much in the same way it's arrogant to believe your morals are more pure because you are religious.
I therefore propose that atheists pratice true morality... not morality born out of threats and promises....