Israel - Palestine Update Thread. No hate. Just updates.

reply to post by _Del_

You mean the rockets have stopped?

I actually have no way of knowing. But I also know the core issue is not resolved as far as the Palestinians are concerned. Imagine growing up a citizen of Gaza and realizing one day you have been sentenced to life in prison but aren't guilty of any crime? How would that make you feel?

No, I meant the response in the article. It was a responsible reaction. (Well, and of course, the rockets stopping is a nice step, too). If/when Hamas starts acting responsibly consistently, I think we'll see a peaceful two-state solution. But that will mean it will have to stop cheerleading suicide bombers, and bombings of buses, and indiscriminate rocket attacks as well as actively policing Gaza. I think they are learning that governing is harder to do than they realized. I don't want to get further off topic or say anything else potentially incendiary because we have all primarily done a good job of keeping ourselves limited to updates. I don't think anyone wants to see innocent people hurt or suffering. Let's hope the ceasefire leads to productive talks about the underlying issues.

An article about Israel limiting Palestinian access to a mosque.

Israel has restricted Palestinian access to the Al-Aqsa mosque compound and arrested six Hamas members, a day after one Palestinian was killed by Israeli fire along the Gaza-Israel border.

Nigel Parry ‏@flyingmonkeyair
Al-Jazeera Blogs: Details of the Egyptian-sponsored truce deal between Israel and Gaza: blogs.aljazeera.com... … #GazaUnderAttack

wrong thread sorry.

This is interesting www.ynetnews.com...

Was this recent conflict designed to weaken Hamas, and test Israeli defenses before they strike Iran?

Originally posted by ausername
This is interesting www.ynetnews.com...

Was this recent conflict designed to weaken Hamas, and test Israeli defenses before they strike Iran?

Would be a waste of ammo if you ask me. An attack on Iran isn't going to take a few F-16s and some artillery to complete the job.

Originally posted by DragonFire1024

Well Russia has announced they are sending ships to the area.

The Russian ships are part of the Task Force on their way to the Horn of Africa and Gulf of Aden for routine anti-piracy patrols. They entered the Mediterranean long before the current Gaza hostilities. Some of the Task Force elements were exercising with the Italian Navy. The original plan was for the Task Force to transit the Suez Canal in late November and join up with the Pacific Task Force for joint anti-piracy patrols.

Leaving of the BSF main base Sevastopol will be held in two phases; the task unit will be finally shaped at assigned rendezvous point in the Mediterranean Sea. Under way to the Suez Canal, the warships will perform a number of combat training activities in the Mediterranean Sea. The BSF task unit will pass the Suez Canal late in Nov, and enter upon anti-piracy mission off Somalia early in Dec. Also, the ships will call at several foreign ports to replenish supplies and let crews take rest. According to deployment plan of PF and BSF task units, Russian naval mariners will counter sea piracy and maintain security of civil shipping in the Gulf of Aden and near the Horn of Africa. Anti-piracy activities of the Russian Navy's task units will be arranged in close interaction with NATO naval command directing international counter-piracy operation in the Gulf of Aden.

rusnavy.com...

rusnavy.com...

Prior to that some elements were exercising with NATO elements in the Mediterranean.

rusnavy.com...

I can pick up the Morse Code International weather transmission here in the UK from some of the Russian Navy Auxiliary vessels. Currently the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet Tanker Ivan Bubnov is hove to off the Suez Canal.

24th November at 18 UTC.

8345 Kilohertz

RCV DE RCJG 24181 99316 10323 22200 @1806Z

31.6N 32.3E Hove to

Position of Russian Navy Tanker off Suez

Link to image of Ivan Bubnov

Israel might attack Iran by using electromagnetic pulses (EMP) which could send the Islamic Republic “back to the Stone Age.”

EMP causes non-lethal gamma energy to react with the magnetic field and produces a powerful electromagnetic shock wave that can destroy electronic devices, especially those used in Iran’s nuclear plants

From

Israel National News

Never Forget this option

Report: Israeli spy satellites spot Iranian ship being loaded with rockets for Gaza

According to the report, the cargo may include Fajr-5 rockets, like those that were fired by Hamas toward Israel and the stockpiles of which the Israel Defense Forces depleted during the recent round of fighting across the Gaza border, in addition to Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, which could be stationed in Sudan to pose a direct threat to Israel.

“We believe that Iranian warships anchored in Eritrea will accompany the weapons ship as soon as it enters the Red Sea,” an Israeli source told the Times.

rt.com...


The eight-day Israeli assault on Gaza has resulted in $300 million in economic damage, a Palestinian Chamber of Commerce report concludes. The document also calls for the Gaza Strip to be recognized as an economic disaster area.
The report covered damages to the agricultural, health and social sectors. The occupied territory’s agrarian segment suffered $120 million in damage. The eight-day halt to economic activities resulted in $40 million lost. The rest of the sum comes from destroyed buildings and infrastructure that was impaired by Israeli airstrikes, Xinhua reported.

i sure hope that someday this area will find peace.... might take a good while though

Gaza City (CNN) -- A high-level delegation from Gaza has arrived in Egypt "to complete arrangements for cease-fire talks" involving sticking points between Hamas and Israel, Hamas said in a statement Sunday.

Talks are set to resume Monday in Cairo between Israelis and Egyptians to further discuss the details of the cease-fire, which began to take hold last week, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh's office said.

Discussions will include topics such as opening border crossings and easing Israel's economic blockade in Gaza, Haniyeh's office said.

source: www.cnn.com...

reply to post by Ronnie6657


That's good to hear. I hope it will go well.

This is an interesting video. by Miko Peled, the Israeli General's Son. Seattle. Oct. 1, 2012

www.youtube.com...

The son of Hamas Leader exposes the deceit and corruption of Hamas, supports Israel.

Borrowed from another thread and poster in response to the poster above, who seems hell bent on taking sides. Only fair to show the other side as well.

Originally posted by schmae
rt.com...


The eight-day Israeli assault on Gaza has resulted in $300 million in economic damage, a Palestinian Chamber of Commerce report concludes. The document also calls for the Gaza Strip to be recognized as an economic disaster area.
The report covered damages to the agricultural, health and social sectors. The occupied territory’s agrarian segment suffered $120 million in damage. The eight-day halt to economic activities resulted in $40 million lost. The rest of the sum comes from destroyed buildings and infrastructure that was impaired by Israeli airstrikes, Xinhua reported.

And it was all ready an economic disaster area...Thanks for posting.

The Russian Navy Task Force is still being reported as transiting the Suez Canal on the 27th November.

At present, BSF task force consisting of Guards missile cruiser Moskva, destroyer Smetlivy, landing ships Novocherkassk and Saratov, and auxiliary vessels has completed first stage of the long-range cruise in eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea and finished preparations for the anti-piracy mission off Somalia. The task force will be reinforced by Pacific Fleet (PF) task force in early Dec 2012. The ships finished preparations for the cruise to the Indian Ocean on Nov 24; passage of the Suez Canal is scheduled on Nov 27.

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The Russian Navy Tanker, Ivan Bubnov, is still sending Morse Code international weather broadcasts. Still hove to off the Suez Canal. What normally happens is that the Auxiliary vessels will stop sending weather once they start to transit the Suez. This weather denial will remain in force until they re-enter the Mediterranean after their anti-piracy deployments. The Russians regard the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, etc too risky to transmit international weather that contains latitude and longitude.

The International weather code in use.

Link

Vessel information including call sign

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From 06 UTC, 25th November.

8345 Kilohertz.

RCV DE RCJG 25061 99316 10323 22200 @0615Z

31.6N 32.3E Hove to

Map Link

Full Morse message with the positional and course groups in bold.

8345 RCV DE RCJG 129 18 25 1000 129 = SML FOR RJH45 RJE73 =
25061 99316 10323 41598 72606 10200 40150 56010 79162 87320 22200 00210 20000 88000 25014 = + RCJG K

Still at the same location as of 18 UTC, 25 November.

RCV = Sevastopol
RCJG = Russian Navy Boris Chilikin–Class Tanker, Ivan Bubnov

8345 RCV DE RCJG 25181 99316 10323 22200 @1807Z

31.6N 32.3E Hove to

Abbas heads to New York ahead of UN statehood bid

Palestinian Authority president tells supporters he will work toward ending the dispute between Fatah and Hamas; PA officials disregard American and Israeli threats to punish the PA following UN bid.

Jerusalem Post

Clinton warns Netanyahu not to punish Palestinian Authority for UN bid

The U.S. message to Israel was not to take any irreversible actions and to act wisely the day after the UN vote; Clinton emphasized that steps such as annulling the Oslo Accords could bring about dangerous consequences.

HAARETZ

Huffington Post ‏@HuffingtonPost
Hezbollah issues warning to Israel huff.to...

Lebanon's Hezbollah group would fire thousands of rockets into Israel in any future war and target cities in the country's heartland, the group's leader said Sunday.

"The battle with us is going to be all over occupied Palestine," the black-turbaned Nasrallah said. "From the border with Lebanon to the frontier with Jordan to the Red Sea." "The Israelis should listen well to me. From Kiryat Shemona to Eilat," Nasrallah said referring to a northern Israeli town near the border with Lebanon to the southern resort town of Eilat on the Red Sea.