We would have to rule out panspermia, first.

It would certainly make it likely that microbial life at least is very widespread, but without a good idea of how unlikely it is for basic life to evolve into human-like intelligence, we still wouldn't be able to say with real confidence that intelligence is out there.

It would improve the chances drastically, though.

Very nice thread !
but i think there is much more then bacterial entity up there
especially underground
but that just me

thanks for sharing Madness
SNF

Evolution is a wide term...also, we don't know if we caught Mars at the beginning of life, or the ar$e end of the cycle. We could be the evolution from what started on Mars....if they find anything, that is.

Interesting topic. Have a star!

As has been expressed; Panspermia would have to be ruled out.

Life would need only spark on one planet, where the other neighboring planet could then be infected/seeded by the other planet where large scale events like the Chicxulub impact (not necessarily that specific event) ejected fertile material from the gravity well to find its way to Mars, or, from Mars to Earth.

Another aspect involves neither seeding the other where both receive common source material from comet material impacts rich with the soup of life.
Such comet debris could harbor life on ice from a long dead and gone planet, destroyed a billion years before the birth of our sun, to acrete into the fringes of the the dense cloud of gases and other materials that eventually became our sun, to later impact the rocky worlds of Earth and Mars, where life then sprung.

Ok ill have to look into the whole "Panspermia" theory.
But my question with my limited knowlage:
WHY is it so frikkin impossible to grasp
the idea that LIFE could evolve on a SINGLE
planet, WITHOUT involvment form OUTSIDE
sources?

1Star
1Planet, and life evolves.
Is THAT impossible.???

This is not fact its only theory.

"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn't be here if stars hadn't exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren't created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.... The stars died so that you could be here today."

Life is probably pretty common out there I think personally. I think the real question should be who made the first electrons or what ever to create the big bang after all its only like two electrons or something crashing into each other at light speed we are already trying to recreate the same thing basically with particle accelerators.

If the big bang was really just an explosion its nothing that intelligences can't recreate even artificial intelligence.

I like to say that everything you imagine can be brought into reality and my proof of this would be saying take a look around you everything you look at was once someones imagination and eventually it was brought it into reality. Seriously everything you imagine can happen its just not all possible to do yet. I honestly think that there is nothing that intelligence can't conquer.

I personally believe there is other races out there billions of years ahead of us and I believe that they probably have mass created big bangs all over the place. Why go planet to planet terraforming them to create life when you can create a whole universe one after another? Multiverse why not? Why only have one?

Gods create gods or intelligent life creates intelligent life either way they are both the same, intelligence is god like.

Short answer in my opinion is: Yes.

Long answer, I believe the simple fact that there is another planet besides ours in this universe, let alone systems, galaxies, etc. is proof enough that intelligent life is elsewhere in the universe. I don't believe that nature is so wasteful as to create an entire universe simply for us meat bags on stupid little earth. I would like to get into this idea a little further but someday I plan to make a thread on it.

Originally posted by IntoxicatingMadness
A burning question exists that I think should be brought up. If Microbial life on Mars is discovered, would that mean that evolved life is definitely out there?

All you could say is that there are two planets with life on them. Because of their proximity, it would be difficult to rule out that they somehow contaminated each other. We know there are Mars rocks on Earth, and probably vice versa. In no way does it become possible to logically extrapolate from this limited case that there is life anywhere else in the universe.

No life discovered on Mars, anyway.

Maybe Something may have happened to Mars. Maybe Mars was a holder of life And a catastrophic event on Mars

1. Took out any surface life that we know of
2. Sent rocks from Mars to our Earth in which where they began to populate Earth.

There is no proof to this other than it being a Barren wasteland on the surface but it's an interesting prospect nonetheless.

Kinda off subject here but Seti is always setting up satellites so they can listen for a radio signal from an "alien" planet which is laughable.. Also radio signals just turn into static after 1 light year so it always makes me laugh when they say some alien civilization may be watching some old 'I Love Lucy episode'. I think Seti knows FULL well there never gonna find anything this way.. The key is beams of light and picking up signals that way.. Something the NSA learned back in the late 50's..

here's a excellent story about beams of light being watched now by Harvard's observatory. Hopefully the government stays out of it.. ufocasebook.com/alienbeam.html