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You’re going to hear a whole lot of noise about how we need to pass tax hikes on the rich and end the Bush middle class tax cuts.
Fine, let’s see what that gets us. The Obama tax hikes would add 42 billion dollars in revenue. Ending the Bush middle class tax cuts would bring in 179 billion dollars.
Meanwhile the deficit for October alone is 120 billion. We would have to find three times as many rich people for the Obama tax hikes to even cover a monthly deficit. And ending the Bush middle class tax cuts, would cover one month’s deficit. And next month we’re back in the hole............
Eliminating Bush Tax Cuts Would Barely Cover October Deficit
House Budget Committee chair Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has rejected President Barack Obama's demand to raise taxes as part of Obama's proposal to achieve $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenues to avoid the "fiscal cliff."
Instead, Ryan backed Speaker John Boehner's position, which is that any new tax revenues must be achieved without passing higher tax rates.
In an exclusive statement to Breitbart News, Ryan specified that new revenues should come through economic growth and tax reform, not tax hikes:
Speaker Boehner has outlined a bipartisan way forward to avoid the "fiscal cliff" and get our economy growing: common-sense entitlement reform coupled with pro-growth tax reform. We can find common ground on responsible spending restraint and greater revenue through economic growth, but we have yet to see either a serious plan or leadership from President Obama. Speaker Boehner and House Republicans have delivered both.
Earlier today, President Obama signaled an openness to tax reform, but said that "closing loopholes in deductions" would not cover the cost of extending the current tax rates for the top two percent of earners.....
Exclusive -- Ryan to Obama: Get 'Revenue Through Growth,' Not Taxes
The U.S. racked up a $120 billion deficit in October, the first month in fiscal 2013, the Treasury Department reported on Tuesday.
The government spent $304 billion and collected only $184 billion in revenue.
That is a fast start to the new fiscal year. By comparison, the deficit in the first month of 2012 was $98 billion.
Source - The Hill
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) sees a smaller deficit of $641 billion next year, assuming the fiscal cliff is allowed to occur.
But the CBO warned on Friday that allowing those $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts would spark a new recession, leading to a spike in the unemployment rate to 9.1 percent.
Originally posted by longlostbrother
reply to post by xuenchen
Ahh yes, another one of your posts taken from a BS right-wing blog...
One day you'll learn to fact check these before posting them, but I bet it won't be today.
First.
The budget deficient is a rolling figure.
The number you posted, FOR OCTOBER, is actually the total amount IN October. The defecit didn't jump that much in just one month.
www.todayonline.com...$147b-as-fiscal-cliff-looms
So that source, and pretty much every source but your ridiculous one, says the TOTAL defeceit is about 120-150B... depending on what dates are used.
(120B source: www.google.com...)
150B, that's a lot, yes?
So how much are the bush tax cuts?
Well, it again depends on the dates used, but even the most conservative view says it's worth about 180B, or 30B more than the total US deficient.
finance.yahoo.com...
However, the REAL cost is MUCH greater.
They cost the US 2.5 TRILLION between 2001 and 2010. Of that the top 1% of earners got almost 40% of the savings. If you look at the top 5%, they got 52%+ of the tax savings. So, in 9 years, the top 5% saved over a trillion in taxes.
www.ctj.org...
Hmm... which is bigger, a trillion dollars, or 150B dollars?
Wait?! You're saying that removing the bush tax cuts for the top 5% of the population could have paid our entire 2012 budget deficit 8x?!
But wait, what about the future?
Well, Obama's plan to KEEP the tax cuts for everyone but the top few percentage points of America would raise close to 700B in less than 10 years:
fpc.state.gov...
So again, which is bigger? 150 or 700? No wait? That can't be right? You're saying that 700 is almost 5x 150? Meaning we could pay off our current TOTAL budget deficit almost five times, but simply ending tax cuts for the rich?!?!
And yet, some right-wing blogs are pretending that ending tax cuts for the top 5% of earners is meaningless??
Surely they can't be lying? (Funny how all of their links tend to point to OTHER right wing blogs, not ACTUAL governement budget figures... almost like they don't WANT you to know the truth...)
That's be as ridiculous as people claiming Romney was going to win in a land slide, when all the state polls showed an easy Obama victory?
Surely no one would claim that?
Oh wait. the OP is again claiming something ridiculous, which even a small child can tell is total BS.
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by oper8zhin
boy this news of the naughty tax cuts being a small potato in the national debt has certainly struck a few nerves !!
it looks like this was some kind of surprise since Obama & Co. is not mentioning this bad news.
this confirms my suspicions that the Democrat strategy with the tax cuts is just a blame game set up for a campaign slogan for the 2014 elections.
OK then, since you know better than ECONOMISTS, (even CONSERVATIVE ECONOMISTS) WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS THAT PROVE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THEM on this topic??
These economists (and the rest of the Right who is NOW WAKING UP) so if you disagree with them to such a RADICAL degree, then SHOW YOUR CREDENTIALS that support you evening being in the BALLPARK of debating this topic at all.
CREDENTIALS PLEASE!!!!!!
Or stop the NONSENSE!!
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by oper8zhin
OK then, since you know better than ECONOMISTS, (even CONSERVATIVE ECONOMISTS) WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS THAT PROVE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THEM on this topic??
These economists (and the rest of the Right who is NOW WAKING UP) so if you disagree with them to such a RADICAL degree, then SHOW YOUR CREDENTIALS that support you evening being in the BALLPARK of debating this topic at all.
CREDENTIALS PLEASE!!!!!!
Or stop the NONSENSE!!
Wheeew !
You guys ARE really in rare form today !!
What "economists" are you referring to ?
Some examples and genuine quotes might help convince your audiences.
The sad fact is that a tax increase based on any or all of the Bush cuts will not reduce the national debt at all.
Originally posted by Kaploink
Eliminating the tax cuts is a step in the right direction. We need both tax cuts and spending cuts to reduce the deficit. Sure, the Bush tax cuts won't cover the whole deficit, but a reduction in the deficit is a reduction no matter how you spin it.
The politicians that want the deficit reduced at all costs should be cheering for the end of the temporary Bush tax reductions. Unless, they don't really care about the deficit and it's just a ploy to cut social programs. Though, I find it hard to believe that a politician would lie to us.
This is no laughing matter and its getting sickening already.
Lets try Ben Stein for the first one.
Show me your CREDENTIALS that match Ben Stein.
CREDENTIALS... AND NO MORE BS!!!!!
CREDENTIALS!!!!!!!
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by oper8zhin
This is no laughing matter and its getting sickening already.
Lets try Ben Stein for the first one.
Show me your CREDENTIALS that match Ben Stein.
CREDENTIALS... AND NO MORE BS!!!!!
CREDENTIALS!!!!!!!
What are Ben Stein's figures ?
I don't see any quotes or links
I'm sorry this bombshell is getting to you this hard.
Originally posted by xuenchen
What are Ben Stein's figures ?
I don't see any quotes or links
I'm sorry this bombshell is getting to you this hard.
Author and economist Ben Stein joined Fox & Friends on Thursday where he stunned the hosts after he called for raising the tax rates on people making more than $2 million per year. He said that he did not think that the United States simply had a spending problem, and cited the early post-war period as an example of a time when you could have high tax rates and high growth.
“I hate to say this on Fox – I hope I’ll be allowed to leave here alive – but I don’t think there is any way we can cut spending enough to make a meaningful difference,” said Stein. “We’re going to have to raise taxes on very, very rich people. People with incomes of, say, $2, $3, $4 million a year and up. And then slowly, slowly, slowly move it down. $250,000 a year, that’s not a rich person.”
Stein said that the government has a spending problem, but they also have a “too low taxes problem.”.....
Ben Stein Stuns Fox & Friends: ‘All Due Respect To Fox’ But ‘Taxes Are Too Low’