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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
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bro...where are those quotes from

they cant be real...i refuse to accept that


muslims say that they corrupted the word of god...but i never imagined something this blatant


I checked out the one about having sex with children under 9 years old and it is there. The way Reeferman has said it though is not exactly correct though unless there is a word or two in there that pretty much means it is acceptable.




posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by thePharaoh
reply to post by reeferman
 


bro...where are those quotes from

they cant be real...i refuse to accept that


muslims say that they corrupted the word of god...but i never imagined something this blatant


I checked out the one about having sex with children under 9 years old and it is there. The way Reeferman has said it though is not exactly correct though unless there is a word or two in there that pretty much means it is acceptable.


here you go..




Our Rabbis taught: In the case of a male child, a young one is not regarded as on a par with an old one; but a young beast is treated as an old one.23 What is meant by this? — Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24 What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that respect].25 But Samuel maintains: Scripture writes, [And thou shalt not lie with mankind] as with the lyings of a woman.26

It has been taught in accordance with Rab: Pederasty at the age of nine years and a day;


now, down in the footnotes to further clarify what is being said..



24 I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.


so what we have here is..

1) if a child is unable to have/understand sex it is not pederasty
2) if the child meets the age standards then it does count as such because they can not accuse (throw guilt) the rapist because the child is unable to participate in sex.
3) the age at which it does count 9 years & a day
4) the age it does count according to "Samuel" is 3 years & a day.

so what does this mean? it is ok to have sex according to this religion with a child under the age of 9 in one statement, and under 3 in another.

its disgusting to even think that this is a conversational topic for one and that there are two different views for another.. not to mention we are reading from a "holy" book.

how twisted is the logic to even justify such an act?

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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by reeferman
its disgusting to even think that this is a conversational topic for one and that there are two different views for another.. not to mention we are reading from a "holy" book.

The Talmud is not the Torah so it's not a "holy book". Even a cursory reading of the site you yourself linked to would tell you that it's Jewish oral law passed down, and it deals with lots of hypothetical situations where religious law would weigh in and how these certain rabbi's would interpret their laws to resolve the situation.

www.come-and-hear.com...


Originally posted by reeferman
so what we have here is..

1) if a child is unable to have/understand sex it is not pederasty
2) if the child meets the age standards then it does count as such because they can not accuse (throw guilt) the rapist because the child is unable to participate in sex.
3) the age at which it does count 9 years & a day
4) the age it does count according to "Samuel" is 3 years & a day.

No, the entire 54b is discussing hypothetical situations regarding who exactly and what exactly is being referred to in the biblical verse "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." What constitutes "lying" with "them", who "them" are, what is the age of accountability? etc.. You have to read it in context. These are discussing these situations because they're giving their opinions about ruling on situations that could (hypothetically arise) in a Jewish court of law. These are OPINIONS of rabbis about LEGAL rulings using HYPOTHETICAL situations to interpret the Mosaic law. It is not "holy scripture."

So it was the opinion of the rabbi, given they were using the Mosaic law as their guide, that males reach sexual maturity at 9 years & 1 day, and therefore can be held accountable for being an active (not passive) participant in homosexual activity.


Originally posted by reeferman
so what does this mean? it is ok to have sex according to this religion with a child under the age of 9 in one statement, and under 3 in another.

No, it's discussing the above mentioned bible verse, and how it may apply in real life proceedings to determine when someone (male or female) has reached the age of accountability. You seemed to have forgotten to quote some other relevant footnotes. here they are:



23. The reference is to the passive subject of sodomy. As stated supra 54a, guilt is incurred by the active participant even if the former be a minor, i.e., less than thirteen years old. Now, however, it is stated that within this age a distinction is drawn.

24. I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.

25. At nine years a male attains sexual matureness.

26. Lev. XVIII, 22. Thus the point of comparison is the sexual matureness of woman, which is reached at the age of three.


and so it's not saying you can have sex with children, but that if the child is below a certain age or meets certain conditions, there is no blame on THEM because they are considered a 'passive' participant and not 'active' in breaking Mosaic law.



There are plenty of things to criticize, but let's not misrepresent things. I would take issue with the claim that women reach sexual maturity at three (LOL) - of course what do you expect when you have only a bronze age book to work with?



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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I love Israel.





Islam own everything they have politicians in their pocket. Oil is now a bigger commodity than gold. Arabs are now the richest 1% in the world. How is it every conspiracy Muslims come out of it looking like angels. No matter what chaos or atrocities they cause it is never their fault, they always blame America, or the CIA. That is because it is them starting the conspiracy. Ask yourself who benefits from you hating America the UK and Jews (especially Israel?)

ISIS is Muslim stop blaming Islamic atrocities it on other people. Normal Muslims from Canada, Britain, USA and Europe have all left their country and family to go and fight for ISIS, why would they do that if it was Israel, CIA or America?? There are about 15,000 Muslims betrayed their own country to go and fight for ISIS.

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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: DEV1L79

Israel are attacked all the time by Hammas, Gazza, Palestine, but because Israel have bigger guns and bombs and when they protect themselves they are made out to be the bad ones because it makes a bigger explosion.


The people of palestine did not invite the people of israel to come and live peacefully alongside one another...it was a mandate forged by a foreigner.

Had the israeli people not invaded the land of palestine...

You were the ones knocking on doors, who do you expect would answer after knowing full well- your synagogues were evicted ages ago...they knew your fruits.

If you want to be welcomed to a foreign land, while in Rome do as the romans do.

"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.…


Sorry to offend anyone.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Israel is a Rogue Terrorist State founded on Terrorism and run by Terrorists.

Do you know that the formation of Israel in Palestine was one out of 3 options? The other 2 countries they were thinking of taking over were Argentina and Uganda! Palestine was chosen because of it's location in the Middle East. Nothing to do with that 'Chosen People' crap!

Remember also it was the Khazar Zionists that created Israel. Same ones that supported Hitler during WW1 and WW2. They created Hitler after all and used him along with the surviving Jews of the Holocaust to create Israel.

The Palestinian people have been persecuted by these Israeli Terrorists for a long time. They have been tortured, beaten, beheaded, raped, shot execution style and their homes and businesses bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli houses. I think the Palestinians deserve to be bitter at the Israeli Fascist Terrorist Regime after all those years of losing their land and lives. Especially now since they are like Fish in a Barrel in that concentration camp called Gaza!

I don't agree with Hamas firing fire crackers at Israel as there is no point and every time they do it the Israeli's pound Gaza with their US Weapons and kill hundreds of Palestinian people!

I personally think Hamas was created by Israel to do just that. Give Israel the excuse to kill more Palestinian kids!

To hell with Israel! Bad is not the word to describe it!



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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The NWO wants to revive the Christians Jews and Muslim war Holy War. They want to recreate the end times because they are retarded. That's why they fund and supply arms to both sides.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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Tell me, what's the difference between hitlers aryan race and the Jews believing they are gods chosen people?
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