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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle
Secession is NOT the first amendment. That's absurd, dangerous and ignorant to even suggest and people may well get killed over this stupid idea before it's over. This isn't a game and may the first Rambo here encouraging others, be the first in line to lead the charge. Otherwise? Cheap seats are cheap shots to take while others ignorantly sign their own arrest warrants.
There is NO debate to what is spelled out in plain black letter law......and if this hasn't crossed it already, it's on the RAZOR edge of it. I personally have about no respect for people who would egg on idealists to do something this ill conceived.
Title 18, Chapter 115 - United States Federal Code on Sedition / Subversion / Insurrection and Treason
We spend days debating back and forth about the nature this Government assassinates it's own citizens. NDAA and detention without charges and without appeal or hope of relief. These are all valid things.............and then go kick that same Gov't between the legs with NO way to back up the action?? Well, I guess people's lives may well depend on all the theories being WRONG. If the Government is HALF as ruthless and dangerous as people suggest, then this wasn't signing a petition....it was signing death warrants that'll just take a but of time to work their way BACK to those who so helpfully volunteered to go first.
Originally posted by incoserv
Article on Yahoo! News
Seems like this thing has gone beyond an simple meme now. Will the administration be able to ignore it and let it fade away, or will they have to address the issue?
And if they address the issue, how will they best do it?
To give any positive nod or ascent will legitimize it.
To reject it will exacerbate it.
What's the next step? Are they between a rock and a hard place?edit on 14-11-2012 by incoserv because: added a thought
Originally posted by neo96
Well considering that the states all have the right to leave the union if they choose to.
This is a fact, no one has the right to tell them they can't
Originally posted by SG-17
Originally posted by incoserv
Article on Yahoo! News
Seems like this thing has gone beyond an simple meme now. Will the administration be able to ignore it and let it fade away, or will they have to address the issue?
And if they address the issue, how will they best do it?
To give any positive nod or ascent will legitimize it.
To reject it will exacerbate it.
What's the next step? Are they between a rock and a hard place?edit on 14-11-2012 by incoserv because: added a thought
There is no issue. There is just a superminority of sore, probably racists, losers who want to take their ball and go home.
Originally posted by neo96
Well considering that the states all have the right to leave the union if they choose to.
This is a fact, no one has the right to tell them they can't
The states in the Union are NOT sovereign states. They are federated states. Which basically makes them the same as counties within a larger state. They are just a distinct level of administration.
They DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union without the consent of a total 100% of their population and consent of all of the other states. This has been proven numerous times in our history, starting with the FOUNDING FATHERS replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.
Originally posted by MissCoyote
this is such a sore subject to be honest you have republicans that are pissy......democrats saying stfu or gtfo, you have independents trying to make a statement....everybody hating everybody and nobody wanting to own up to the collected faults.....its going to to blow over and people are going to go on suckling and sapping...Im so worn out on this topic.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
We are already in a police state. One thing Occupy did was show us how easily a large gathering can be put down. I didn't like Occupy because they were promoting anti capitalism and all that direct democracy stuff, but now the shoe is on the other foot and pro Capitalist anti socialists making a second showing in 4 years and now the Statists are yelling to leave the country.
If the Obama admin won't respect the Constitution they have no right to it.
Perhaps if I hadn't put my heart and soul into Occupy as a way to bring change a year ago...to watch everything fall to pieces and fail...
Not what the authors and signatories of the Declaration of Independence said!
Originally posted by incoserv
Nobody has contributed any thoughts toward my original question, though.
How long can the administration ignore this? Or can they?
Will he have to answer this issue, or will he get away with just ignoring it?
If he ignores it, will it not make him look unresponsive? Or will it not make it evident that the whole We The People website things is a sham?
And if he answers it, how can he answer it without either affirming the movement or creating a backlash?
Originally posted by new_here
Call me cynical, but I just don't think those petitions are worth the paper they're written on... oh wait... they're not on paper. See there's the problem. No one actually signed their John Hancock at all!