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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Secession is NOT the first amendment. That's absurd, dangerous and ignorant to even suggest and people may well get killed over this stupid idea before it's over. This isn't a game and may the first Rambo here encouraging others, be the first in line to lead the charge. Otherwise? Cheap seats are cheap shots to take while others ignorantly sign their own arrest warrants.

There is NO debate to what is spelled out in plain black letter law......and if this hasn't crossed it already, it's on the RAZOR edge of it. I personally have about no respect for people who would egg on idealists to do something this ill conceived.

Title 18, Chapter 115 - United States Federal Code on Sedition / Subversion / Insurrection and Treason

We spend days debating back and forth about the nature this Government assassinates it's own citizens. NDAA and detention without charges and without appeal or hope of relief. These are all valid things.............and then go kick that same Gov't between the legs with NO way to back up the action?? Well, I guess people's lives may well depend on all the theories being WRONG. If the Government is HALF as ruthless and dangerous as people suggest, then this wasn't signing a petition....it was signing death warrants that'll just take a but of time to work their way BACK to those who so helpfully volunteered to go first.


We have also spent days, months and years on this site discussing the countless acts of the Federal Government that goes against the interest of the People. We spend days, months, and years on this site asking "what can we do?". Well now something else has come up. Another way to voice your displeasure with the Federal Government and demand that the common man be heard and his/her issues addressed rather than ignored.

So typical that some who scream the most are the first to run and hide when there comes a time to back up the things they spout off. This statement is not directed at you Wabbit, but more of a general observation. That being said, asking to secede from the Union is not the same as treason. Using the legal framework to effect change is not the same as taking an illegal action to accomplish it. Sorry to say, and maybe it is simply a matter of perspective, but these petitions are not the same as treason... not even close.

Quite frankly, this Government deserves to get kicked square in the jibblies- as they have been kicking the population for decades. You can only push so far before people get fed up and push back. That sir, is a fact, and I believe we are beginning to see the push back from the general population.




posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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These secession petitions will go nowhere.. HOWEVER... the opening of many eyes is starting. Never know where that will lead. Id love to see a US of A renaissance... and a removal of every stinking sitting politician in the game. Maybe secede from the federal govt and consolidate outside of them.. every damned state. It sickens me to see solid intelligent dems here.. with their faces planted firmly against the federal funbags just cause Obama won. SIckened me just as much to see the cult of ROmney. We have an incredible window of opportunity here.. hopefully people will drop the BS and take advantage of this small _.. TOGETHER.

Its been seriously attempted here in 2 threads Ive seen.. a consolidation among the political parties.. against the creeps in our govt and the corruption in our state governments ( all the way down the chain). It SHOULD be US against THEM.. not us against us. We've done the us against us before.. that didnt end well and federal power only expanded. Each one of us can live according to our principals and political leanings in this country.. side by side. The federal govt needs to butt the hell out and stop "allowing" us freedom. We need to take it rather than waiting or asking for permission



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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You do make an outstanding point about change having to start by talking about it and this is spurring some talk. that is true. Perhaps if I hadn't put my heart and soul into Occupy as a way to bring change a year ago...to watch everything fall to pieces and fail...I'd be more into this idea. Although, to be honest, there was something about looking up into the gun barrels of Secret Service snipers looking DOWN into your face and knowing...3lbs of pressure is all the difference between life and death for me while it's nothing more than paperwork and a long day for him. That really does have a life changing effect ...at least it did for me.

Now I'm absolutely for change. I wish you and others well on this and I hope with all my being that I'm wrong in terms of this list being used as an enemies list later on for retribution. One of my friends on another site signed up for this..and I really worry for him.

Some say that doing something is better than nothing, while others point to the need to take action. I feel for both positions and it's what got me out last year to camp with Occupy while having a very warm and comfy house I could have been in those long nights instead. I learned by that experience that doing 'something' just to do 'anything' is NOT always a good idea and while Occupy did start discussion, it also gave every law enforcement agency in the United States direct training and/or example training on how to effectively put down Americans in protest. That is something they weren't expert in before.....so while it did nothing for OUR side? It insured the next to try it will have far less chance than we did then.

I wonder....what the unintended consequences and lessons learned from this effort will be in the long term? If/when/how I ever fight again ...will NEVER be in the open and standing up like the stalk of corn looking to get chopped down. That was a lesson learned hard. I've always been the lone wolf...the fly in the ointment...and just the all around monkey wrench in the gears. That's the role I'll play once again....IF that time ever comes. It's amazing what hit and run can accomplish when someone doesn't stop to take credit or jump up and down to get brownie points and attention.
....of course, that's if we ever get to that point. The US isn't there yet, IMO. Frankly, it's not even that close. Not for actual killing. dying and the need to do both by our own physical hands.

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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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I'm guessing the admin won't embrace it the way they embraced Occupy.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by incoserv
Article on Yahoo! News

Seems like this thing has gone beyond an simple meme now. Will the administration be able to ignore it and let it fade away, or will they have to address the issue?

And if they address the issue, how will they best do it?

To give any positive nod or ascent will legitimize it.

To reject it will exacerbate it.

What's the next step? Are they between a rock and a hard place?
edit on 14-11-2012 by incoserv because: added a thought

There is no issue. There is just a superminority of sore, probably racists, losers who want to take their ball and go home.


Originally posted by neo96
Well considering that the states all have the right to leave the union if they choose to.

This is a fact, no one has the right to tell them they can't


The states in the Union are NOT sovereign states. They are federated states. Which basically makes them the same as counties within a larger state. They are just a distinct level of administration.

They DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union without the consent of a total 100% of their population and consent of all of the other states. This has been proven numerous times in our history, starting with the FOUNDING FATHERS replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by SG-17

Originally posted by incoserv
Article on Yahoo! News

Seems like this thing has gone beyond an simple meme now. Will the administration be able to ignore it and let it fade away, or will they have to address the issue?

And if they address the issue, how will they best do it?

To give any positive nod or ascent will legitimize it.

To reject it will exacerbate it.

What's the next step? Are they between a rock and a hard place?
edit on 14-11-2012 by incoserv because: added a thought

There is no issue. There is just a superminority of sore, probably racists, losers who want to take their ball and go home.


Originally posted by neo96
Well considering that the states all have the right to leave the union if they choose to.

This is a fact, no one has the right to tell them they can't


The states in the Union are NOT sovereign states. They are federated states. Which basically makes them the same as counties within a larger state. They are just a distinct level of administration.

They DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union without the consent of a total 100% of their population and consent of all of the other states. This has been proven numerous times in our history, starting with the FOUNDING FATHERS replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.



Nope.




posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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We are already in a police state. One thing Occupy did was show us how easily a large gathering can be put down. I didn't like Occupy because they were promoting anti capitalism and all that direct democracy stuff, but now the shoe is on the other foot and pro Capitalist anti socialists making a second showing in 4 years and now the Statists are yelling to leave the country.
If the Obama admin won't respect the Constitution they have no right to it.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by MissCoyote
this is such a sore subject to be honest you have republicans that are pissy......democrats saying stfu or gtfo, you have independents trying to make a statement....everybody hating everybody and nobody wanting to own up to the collected faults.....its going to to blow over and people are going to go on suckling and sapping...Im so worn out on this topic.


But some of us see this as a healthy evolution for North America. Being a loose union of independent nations under the guidance of a common currency, Bill of Rights, and Constitution would be ideal.

I kinda dig Obama and I don't hate southerners so my support of state separatism is not stemmed in any sort of bitterness. I genuinely think there is some merit in the concept and is an eventuality that will improve our continental governmental structure.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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You are way off base in every way with this post. First it is about the Marxist ideology of this POTUS and his minions, and the stupidity of putting contraceptives as your main theme in your party platform, and the insanity of the foreign policy which is totally designed to ruin America further than it is already damaged, plus the lies and deceipt involved voter fraud and the Benghazi disaster.
To call it racism just shows you don't know what the issues are or you are willfully blind to it all.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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We are already in a police state. One thing Occupy did was show us how easily a large gathering can be put down. I didn't like Occupy because they were promoting anti capitalism and all that direct democracy stuff, but now the shoe is on the other foot and pro Capitalist anti socialists making a second showing in 4 years and now the Statists are yelling to leave the country.
If the Obama admin won't respect the Constitution they have no right to it.


Conservatives are no less statist in practice.

It is like a child molesting priest giving a sermon
On the evils of molestation.

How much are you gonna delude yourself?



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Perhaps if I hadn't put my heart and soul into Occupy as a way to bring change a year ago...to watch everything fall to pieces and fail...


The only fail, has been on your part. You're afraid and you're willing to accept authority where it has no place because of it. You over-reacted with fear of blood baths that never happened... you were so sure a cop was going to kill someone during the evictions and larger protests. You outright begged people to back-down. Winning back our Liberties will not come with pleading and begging on your knees to the very people that took them away.

You are over-reacting now. You are not witnessing a brewing civil war or a brewing bloody exodus from the USA. You are witnessing a temper tantrum. You are witnessing a five year old child tell it's parent's it's running away because it doesn't like their rules.

That is not to say, there is nothing to be concerned about as all big things start with one single idea. It may very well be that in a few years all of this heightens into a roar, especially with a growing mind set that the 'Party of no' compromised too much. They are now becoming the 'Party of I'm taking my ball and going home', I say let them go... all kids learn in time that bouncing a ball off a wall is only fun for so long.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Not what the authors and signatories of the Declaration of Independence said!


 


Ah yes, and how did that all work out again?



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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That's pretty accurate I would say


Bookmark your post for soon to be reference !!
 
 


reply to post by incoserv
 
here's the map from your Russian link article....
 


Maybe they need the Rothschild merger & acquisition department to set up the borders and bond issues and financing !!

Many scholars believe that THEY were the ones who set up the European Union and the Russian Federation and "helped" get the boundaries straight with the USSR breakup.

After all, it's all business anyway !!

Rothschild’s Global Financial Advisory

Rothschild is the financial adviser of choice to governments, corporations of all sizes, individuals and family firms throughout the world

Just think what they could do with the USA



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by incoserv
Nobody has contributed any thoughts toward my original question, though.

How long can the administration ignore this? Or can they?

Will he have to answer this issue, or will he get away with just ignoring it?

If he ignores it, will it not make him look unresponsive? Or will it not make it evident that the whole We The People website things is a sham?

And if he answers it, how can he answer it without either affirming the movement or creating a backlash?


They can and they will until it becomes a majority of numbers. Right now it is just angry people...very low percentages. Now if the numbers swelled up to the 40 percentile range...they would definitely have to address it. But that is not going to happen. Most people would prefer their name not be on "the list".

This will solve nothing. If these people put the same effort into a petition to limit terms of Congress...a petition to stop lobbyist in secluded meetings...a petition to stop corporate welfare and subsidies...a petition to overturn the "citizens United" ruling....but no, all they can think of is "me-me-me" and stomp around like spoiled child that can't have candy before dinner.


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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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I told my therapist about two months ago in an email that as a child I used to worry "if we would ever see Texas (or other states I guess) secede from the union, lol

We had been talking about Alamo, Crockett, and of course, Franklin Tenn/Texas secession



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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99,000 people do not speak for the whole state of Texas. I would think the state legislature would also have to get involved.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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When I read this this is what came to mind:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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I may be wrong, but it seems to me that anyone could go start petitions for all 50 states. And one person could sit there and "sign them" 16 times. I see names like "Mary C" and "John L" so who it's anybody's guess who they really are. How would one verify if a last name isn't even given? I could go sign each state and say I am from that state.

Yeah, I know they can check IP addresses and such. But I could also go down to the local library and pretend to be 16 different people online.

Call me cynical, but I just don't think those petitions are worth the paper they're written on... oh wait... they're not on paper. See there's the problem. No one actually signed their John Hancock at all!



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by new_here
Call me cynical, but I just don't think those petitions are worth the paper they're written on... oh wait... they're not on paper. See there's the problem. No one actually signed their John Hancock at all!


Very true,but the people "signing" them dont know that.... just look at how many online petitions there actually are, and what they are for.

Like www.change.org...



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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The petition for Texas was started by a freshman at UT Arlington. Local DFW CBS station interviewed the young man, and his reason for starting a petition was he saw Louisiana had one. Hopefully, later tonight, they will have the interview up on their site.

If people would spend as much time and energy working for real change, as they spend on frivolous efforts such as secession, there is no end to what could be accomplished. We can argue all day whether this state or that state can secede from the Union, but it will not happen.

How about just one petition from all Americans to restore our country to the position it once held as a damn fine place to live, grow, and prosper? Set our sights on more reasonable and achievable goals?

Taking control of our elected Representatives and Senator's is the first step. Can we actually do this? Can we set term limits, benefits, AND take away their fundraising and money for favors? Yes, we can do this, and so much more. Secession is not the answer to change the government. Utilizing our right's as the source of power granted to the government is the path we should take, IMHO.

I guess for some, new uniforms, fancy guns, and all the trappings of a war that will only divide us more, is what they long for. I am born, raised, and live in Texas. She is a much greater place to be within the Union. Without the Union, Texas would just be another patch of land, and probably be called Tejas.





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