reply to post by jheherrin
I do not take anything that spiritual/religious types claim about the ego seriously.
who said anything about religion or spiritual?
I read the following Logic statement (which has nothing to do with religion):
Just like the thought of a rock, is not an actual rock, so who you think you are, is not who you actually are.
Using the Ego, I played with that saying, wrestled with it, and SURPRISE!!!! ...shifted into the Observer state, directly seeing that I am not what I
think or the thinker of thoughts.
The ego is very little understood at this point, but one thing we can be somewhat certain of is that it is a necessary, integral part of us, genetic,
a survival mechanism that separates the strong from the weak.
It was not there as a child, and Life was Grand as a child, so free, awe, wonderous.
You can never get 'rid' of it. It's amusing to watch people who developed their personal belief systems thru their own subjective moralism attempt
to explain and understand the ego, never realizing their perspective is hopeless skewed and distorted, and thus their 'truths' about the ego are
How do you know you can never get "rid" of it? Have you explored such possibilities thoroughly to make such a statement? On the other hand,
inherently everyone is already the Observer/Awareness of the Ego and is not the ego. In sleep, w No ego, you still are. In meditation with all
thoughts stopped, you still are. Logic!
No belief systems necessary. See for yourself if it's true.
Unfortunately, for those types of believers, validation of personal belief systems will always trump the real truth, so if anything doesn't fit into
their 'peace and love' and 'enlightenment' beliefs, it will always be deemed as false.
Nothing to believe in. If anything, it's suspension of all beliefs and the resulting reality without any Biased ego filters. Logically we can deduce
that objective reality itself is already without filters/bias/subjectivity
Even those who seek 'enlightenment' are being directed by their egos. Very amusing. In my own spiritual studies and experience I've never met a
person who claimed to be 'enlightened' who didn't have a very obvious and healthy ego working quite strongly.
Enlightenment seems to come of it's own accord when all Bias/filters/subjectivity is dropped. There is no One to claim it as such in the end.....
The ego is always there, still active, still sending you the messages it needs and is designed to send you, no matter how you attempt to subvert it.
Even in deep sleep & thoughtless meditation? Even when your a newborn? Many here recall earliest memories as filled with awareness, wonder, awe and
To deny it is to deny yourself and what you truly are in nature.
Speak for yourself. Me as Awareness, is inherently Aware of the ego and it's play. Sure it labels some things as needed, i.e. stomach needs food,
bladder needs emptying, possible trouble ahead so heed with caution .....but it's also assuming, judgmental, labeling, controlling ...and is not
There is a deeper intuitive, bypass the ego, knowing and operating system for life....
Anyone who tells you that you have to get rid of your ego is clueless. It's New Age woo.
Are Socrates, Empedocles, Parmenides, and other 500 B.C. era philosophers "New age woo"? Ha! If anything, it's Old Age and I'd much rather see for
myself whether highly respected Philosphers of Antiquity were right, instead of some rather ATS poster who just assumes its all woo but has nothing to
Try to claim your fearless when you're being attacked by a Grizzly and your survival instinct kicks in. Laughable.
Fear comes and goes and the Observer is Aware of it. Grizzly approaches are handled by making yourself as Tall and load as possible with raised hands
and standing your ground ...requiring a high level of mastery over the fear/flight effect in order for higher a higher chance of survival. Or
"Acting" as though dead..... Fear's instinct is too run, which in a grizzly situation would have you dead before you know it.