Hamas says now in 'open war' with Israel, promises 'gates of hell'

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Least the RT camera guys are following the explosions.That seriously has to suck being bombed indiscriminately,for both sides.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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I think its rather much simpler than that. The Brittish were occupiers just as the Israelis are. They could have moved back and asked for greater political rights and stuff, cooperate. But the whole goal was not to do that, but to oppress palestinians from the beginning, to create terror and chaos, precisely so that the Brittish can get their endgame.

I am talking about the planners of course.

The whole point of Israel is to radicalize Muslims with its presence, create a permanent Anglo-Saxon military base there and enable the forced instigation of WW3. After that war, we will be told it was all relligious extremism to blame, even though it has nothing to do with it.
I hope I am wrong, though, for obvious reasons.

Thats the reason why every person just taking sides and arguing is missing the whole game.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by lambs to lions
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Unfortunately , I agree. Israel cannot fight the all of them at once. Assuming that is, they all work together which does seem unlikely. I fear the US might sacrifice Israel in the name of "peace" because of the sympathetic White House.


Actually it's the opposite!

Arabs had alot more strength back than during the 6 day war when they got whooped by the israelis helping them gain more land. The Arabs were heavily infiltrated back than by Mossad agents planted in their armies so i can't even imagine the state of their forces right now. Look at how easy it is for IAF to assassinate Hamas leaders.

It is more likely israel will sacrifice US by dragging it into this huge war in order to further its own agenda and complete it's objectives. israel is a mosquito that will eventually suck US dry millitarily and financially.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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If there is a war you can be sure it won't be a regional one,Iran Egypt China Russia Syria Libya vs the rest.

WW3...

Blah women screaming on the Reuters feed that can't be good.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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I am old enough to have watched the grab for land that Israel has made and it has been constant. The history you are familiar with is the history that the West wishes you to know. Palestine was occupied by the British Empire as a result of WW2.

I do not care for the Allies arbitrarily parceling out land to whomever they felt like. I also did not like the German Occupation of North Africa. There is no fundamental difference.

To put it quite bluntly and very accurately, the people that owned the land for generation upon generation have been systematically kicked off the land (at gun point) so that it could be made available for Jewish settlers. That is the true history of the past half century.

This has all happened with the consent of Western Powers. It is very easy to determine who are the aggressors and who are the victims.

Having said all of that, firing kiddy rockets at a well armed neighbor is quite the dumbest thing that they can do. It may, sadly, be the only thing they can do.

There are other solutions when the playing field is not level. Perhaps the Palestinians need to review history.

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Jews are elite soldiers with elite technology with plenty of money. Therefore israel wins hands down.


Well for a start if Israel is so rich, why do they depend on american taxpayers money that spent on weapons, and those elite soldiers you speak of, are trained by the British and Americans.

And i admire your confidence, but if it escalates with other Arab states then with out American military support, Israel don't stand a chance, Israel is playing a dangerous game right now, that could very well backfire with deadly consequences.

And lets face it, Obama not the greatest fan of the current Israeli administration, and reluctantly made comments concerning the issue



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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The Muslims have confirmed that in their Quran ; Allah said he gave the land in question to Israel for them to live in here after . They have no claim on that land . They admit it but will not stop the trouble .
In the QURAN the book of "Night Journey" chapter 17 100 thru104 tells it all . They are wrong !!!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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The Muslims have confirmed that in their Quran ; Allah said he gave the land in question to Israel for them to live in here after . They have no claim on that land . They admit it but will not stop the trouble . In the QURAN the book of "Night Journey" chapter 17 100 thru104 tells it all . They are wrong !!!!!!!!


Well if you want to start all that rubbish, then didn't your jewish god, say you will have a homeland when he returns...Well were is here ?

I'm a atheist by the way..just so you know were i'm coming from.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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The Soviets pulled Egypts butt out of the fire in 1973.

The Israelis had the Third Army surrounded when the hostilities ended.


russians hahhaaaaa laughable....they used to fly around and land without engaging once
mubaraks airforce took over

or

Carter pulled isreals butt out of the fire

perceptions....

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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The Muslims have confirmed that in their Quran ; Allah said he gave the land in question to Israel for them to live in here after . They have no claim on that land . They admit it but will not stop the trouble .
In the QURAN the book of "Night Journey" chapter 17 100 thru104 tells it all . They are wrong !!!!!!!!


Maybe you should quote the Quran properly and let us know where exactly is says that.

From what i have heard the Quran states that the jews were Allahs favourite people and were blessed the most until they decided to turn away from Allah. Allah than cursed the jews stating that they will never have their own land.

Than we have 2000 years of non-stop jewish prosecution prior to Palestinian and WW2 conflict and no land to their name.

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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nevermind, does not make sense

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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No the arabs are extremely disorganised, lack the technology, lack the stamina, lack the hardware, lack the discipline. Jews are elite soldiers with elite technology with plenty of money. Therefore israel wins hands down.


just stop it...its this BS what i call a false sense of security

i can tell you all day why thats wrong

but to sum up

Turkey - airforce
Egypts - ground force
Irans- Artillary
Syria, Lebanese. palastinian - sabotage forces

why be so arrogant?



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
You know, if Israel wanted to respond to "terrorists" they could have easily done a very clean bombing campaign to take out rocket sites. But everything I've read, and every video I've viewed, shows this is nothing more than Cast Lead 2. They seem to just be lobbing rockets and bombs everywhere. They are not trying to take out any strategic targets. They are simply looking to kill people.


If Israel indeed indiscriminately shot the place up with missiles as you describe, we would be seeing Palestinian casualty figures in the thousands, considering how densely populated Gaza is. Care to explain why we are seeing the opposite? The fact that they only killed 10-20 people (most of whom are militants), shows how surgical those strikes actually are.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
"Target Eliminated".


Lets not forget how US celebrated and beat its chest about getting Bin Laden. The Hamas militant that was killed was responsible for lots of bloodshed, and many are happy to see him gone.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
And I'm supposed to side with these savages? I'm supposed to feel bad for them?


You are not supposed to do anything, and it doesn't really matter to anyone involved in this conflict who you side with. Israel will do what it needs to do. How non-Israelies feel about it is not really important. Most people that so vehemently criticize Israel will forget about the whole thing one week later and move on to something else.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
Perhaps if Israel didn't have a tendency to go overboard and outright murder people, I might feel some sympathy.


Israel doesn't need your sympathy. It needs to ensure its own survival in the face of opposition that wants to eliminate it. Sympathy did not help the people killed in the Holocaust. Sympathy did not help the millions killed in genocides throughout Africa. If people want to ensure their survival and safety, they must not depend on the outside world's sympathy, and must take matters into their own hands. Screw sympathy and screw goodwill - action and power is the only thing that counts for anything in the world. Always has, always will.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
I hope Egypt and the rest of the Arab world step up.


Everytime they stepped up in the past, they lost significant land and had much higher casualties than Israel, mostly because of their incompetence. They have not proved themselves to be any better fighters than they were 40 years ago. Egypt and the Arab world will do absolutely nothing other than maybe shake their fists and rage for a bit - because they are primarily concerned about their own well being and territorial integrity.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
Hell, a united warning might be all it takes. "Stop this nonsense or we WILL come for you".


OH NO! And what will happen when they come? A week later they will be running back with their tail between their legs? And since when is the Arab world been united. Saudis and Turkey have no interest in this conflict - they are playing their own proxy war in Syria. Egypt's economy is in shambles, and it needs to prove itself a stable and reliable government to get support from the West. Jordan is in bed with the US. Lebanon's military power is inconsequential.

For a person who seems to be against violent conflict, you sure do advocate having this thing escalate into something magnitude bigger than it is.



Originally posted by DerekJR321
Let's just hope Israel has enough sanity to keep their finger off the button.


Israel is as pragmatic as any other developed country. Before any action they weigh the direct consequences.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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They have improved but those specialist from Russia have a lot to do with it . Still the Arab is at a disavantage in the brain and disipline area.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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But they got beaten in the past. Do you remember or no?

If russia and china get involved then different story. But so will the usa.

That brings ww3!



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
Ah yes.. throw a stone, get a 2000lb JDAM dropped on your house.

You know, if Israel wanted to respond to "terrorists" they could have easily done a very clean bombing campaign to take out rocket sites. But everything I've read, and every video I've viewed, shows this is nothing more than Cast Lead 2. They seem to just be lobbing rockets and bombs everywhere. They are not trying to take out any strategic targets. They are simply looking to kill people. But somehow, when they do it.... well its okay. They have a right to "defend themselves".

And I'm even more disgusted by the IDF's little Twitter campaign. Posting their BS... putting up little graphics to make this seem like it's a damn video game... "Target Eliminated". Come on. Oh and now there are all the Instagram posts by the 18-year old conscripts of the IDF.. all smiles and comments like "We're coming for you Gaza".

And I'm supposed to side with these savages? I'm supposed to feel bad for them? Perhaps if Israel didn't have a tendency to go overboard and outright murder people, I might feel some sympathy. But they played that card LONG ago. I have no more sympathy. And I suspect people outside of the US have little sympathy too. Unfortunately all I am hearing are the megaphonies crying how Israel is the victim once again. Poor Israel. They must defend themselves. For they are the chosen people. They are better than all and they MUST survive!

Call me an anti-Semite. Call me a Jew hater. Call me whatever you want. At this point, I don't care and I will speak out about it. I hope Egypt and the rest of the Arab world step up. Hell, a united warning might be all it takes. "Stop this nonsense or we WILL come for you". Then again I know Israel doesn't give a damn. According to what they believe, they are the strongest military in the world. Especially with the US in their back pocket. I will be disgusted even more if the US gets involved in this. However, I don't really see that happening. Obama doesn't really give a damn about Israel.. and the backlash from our direct involvement would have MAJOR negative consequences around the world. So honestly I think we're sitting this one out.

Let's just hope Israel has enough sanity to keep their finger off the button.



Throw a stone? Yeah that must be a pretty huge f-cking stone if it made it all the way to Tel Aviv.

Your post is so biased and factually incorrect that it's a joke.

Israel takes more precautions to avoid collateral damage than any other country would if it's cities were being attacked with hunrdeds of missiles aimed at civilians. Not to mention, the cowardly enemy that Israel is up against is purposely hiding their weaponry and artillery in civilian locations, and everyone knows it.

As for the IDF message on twitter, don't misconstrue the truth to promote your BS. If you actually read the message, it was a warning to Hamas militants, not to the people of Gaza.

People like you make me sick to my stomach. You spew venom based on distortions of the truth. Hamas terrorists are directly targeting Israeli civilians, and when Israel responds with the most restraint possible given the circumstances, you have the audacity to villify Israel.

I don't know if you're a jew hater or an antisemite, but you're just plain ignorant as far as this situation is concerned.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
The history you are familiar with is the history that the West wishes you to know. Palestine was occupied by the British Empire as a result of WW2.


That is incorrect. Britain was there since 1917. Prior to that the Ottoman Empire occupied it for centuries.



Originally posted by pheonix358
Having said all of that, firing kiddy rockets


Have you ever seen an explosion by a single grad-based rocket? I would like to see if you would rethink calling them "kiddy" after experiencing one hit a house that you are in.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Neither Russia or china would lift a finger. China relies on free trade between themselves and America to sustain themselves financially. Russia is not in a position militarily to provoke America. Not to mention, these super powers will not engage each other, because none of them would risk an escalating war over people none of them give two $hits about. There is no financial or tactical gain involved. They will do nothing, all risk...no reward.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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They have improved but those specialist from Russia have a lot to do with it . Still the Arab is at a disavantage in the brain and disipline area.


is that what the MSM has lead you to believe

well if you step back and look at it

Hamas have been getting "beat" by isreal for 30 yrs or so

Gaza has the most sanctioned group of people in the history of the earth

yet they are stronger than ever....and the most important issue.... egypt have now made it very clear
egypt led the talks...the world turned up on tuesday....isreal ignored the gesture....knowing the egyptians....that was the wrongest move ever.....they should of went....then egypt would of been obsolete.....but now...egypt has taken on the responsibilty....which both parties gave them ..prior to the talks on tuesday





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