Hamas says now in 'open war' with Israel, promises 'gates of hell'

reply to post by thePharaoh


The Soviets pulled Egypts butt out of the fire in 1973.

The Israelis had the Third Army surrounded when the hostilities ended.

December 21st is just around the corner.
Wonder how far this will have gone by then.
Welcome to the beginning of the end.

Originally posted by CaptAmerika
December 21st is just around the corner.
Wonder how far this will have gone by then.
Welcome to the beginning of the end.

Well if all the Arabs decided to attack israel in one go and israel felt that it had no other option other than the SAMSON option than yes the Dec 21 doomsday deadline might come true.

But I won't hold my breath. Arabs are not organised, unified and have always behaved in a very illiterate manner.

Slahuddin Ayubi warned them not to lose Jerusalem after he defeated the Crusades but the Arabs never heed his warning.

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Originally posted by forklift

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races...and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel...will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition..." (Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p. 574)

I always suspected marxism was an anarchist hoax made to look like communism. That is why people confuse the two and mistakingly use them interchangeably. They also confuse both with socialism! I always try to explain the difference but the disinformation campaign has brainwashed people. The modern day interpretation of socialism, communism and anarchism is correct though. It is the technical definitions explained in the communist manifesto which confuses some.

The truth is Israels borders has been expanding since its creation and continues to expand so there is no conspiracy there for sure:

edit on 15-11-2012 by forklift because: (no reason given)

How can we know the map is unbiased and not tilted towards a palestinian perspective? It seems to me israel has given lots of land to the palestinians and gotten very little back in terms of peace. The real issue is there is no resolvment from plo/hamas and the non-secular jews. Fanatic jews do not want to hear about an official palestinian state, while fanatic muslims have probably already come to grips with the situation and are willing to make sacrifices. I think jordan, syria and israel should give land to the palestinians becaues israel is a pretty small country dominated by arabs. Then make jerusalem a secular nation welcome to all three religious ethnicities.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How can we know the map is unbiased and not tilted towards a palestinian perspective? It seems to me israel has given lots of land to the palestinians


Well, all YOU have to do is to use google and look up how much land Israel started with and then compare with what they have today. Israel has not given land to the Palestinians, they have stolen it in the first place.

Don't rely on ats, do your own research, then come back and tell us what you have found. Then you can reply from a knowledgeable viewpoint rather than making up stuff as you go. Now, on the other hand, if you have an agenda, then please, by all means, continue. Agendas and truth are not good bedfellows.

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Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by dontreally

 

I understand you support Israel. That is quite clear. You are well schooled on what to say and have great resources at your disposal. You are articulate and sensibly verbose.

The thing is, this is ATS. If you think you will sway anyone with your portrayal of Israel as the poor hapless victim, then sir, you are mistaken. The fact that most are not objecting to your posts shows either great restraint by our community (and I applaud every single contributor to this thread) or a program of 'do not feed the trolls.'

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Pheonix, what does "this is ATS" mean? I know there are stong ideas on both sides here but didnt know that one side had the place to call itself ATS. And "great restraint by our community"......again its clear that many here at ATS dont go in for this sort of thing (see above postby dontreally) but there is no screening for political leanings when one joins here. Looks to me like you are delusional or simply bullying.

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Thats really funny . Captian America with an Obama emblem . This is a man who would not , will not salute the American Flag . Who is a Socialism poster boy . That's funny !

LOL did you even look at that avatar.

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Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by dontreally

 

I understand you support Israel. That is quite clear. You are well schooled on what to say and have great resources at your disposal. You are articulate and sensibly verbose.

The thing is, this is ATS. If you think you will sway anyone with your portrayal of Israel as the poor hapless victim, then sir, you are mistaken. The fact that most are not objecting to your posts shows either great restraint by our community (and I applaud every single contributor to this thread) or a program of 'do not feed the trolls.'

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Phenoix, what does "this is ATS" mean? I know there are stong ideas on both sides here but didnt know that one side had the place to call itself ATS. And "great restraint by our community"......again its clear that many here at ATS dont go in for this sort of thing (see above postby dontreally) but there is no screening for political leanings when one joins here. Looks to me like you are delusional or simply bullying.

You seem to have missed the point I was trying to make. ATS is very much full of people from as many sides of an argument as can exist and at the same time has more than enough members to fill the vast areas of centralist gray. We cater for all! What I was getting across, is that leaning so heavily on one side, he is wasting his effort as he will convince no one. Some will flock to his banner, but, they need no convincing. Those that stand ready to be convinced are more likely to be convinced from the vast swarms of moderates that populate the gray.

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I really like the way when Israel beats back the overwhelming forces of the attackers then the Soviets and UN come and save the poor attackers Then they slap the Israeli's on the hand and say your bad . Then they say the Palestinians are pathetically armed and a pathetic people , you should tolerate their feeble attacks . BS

Oops!

Ah yes.. throw a stone, get a 2000lb JDAM dropped on your house.

You know, if Israel wanted to respond to "terrorists" they could have easily done a very clean bombing campaign to take out rocket sites. But everything I've read, and every video I've viewed, shows this is nothing more than Cast Lead 2. They seem to just be lobbing rockets and bombs everywhere. They are not trying to take out any strategic targets. They are simply looking to kill people. But somehow, when they do it.... well its okay. They have a right to "defend themselves".

And I'm even more disgusted by the IDF's little Twitter campaign. Posting their BS... putting up little graphics to make this seem like it's a damn video game... "Target Eliminated". Come on. Oh and now there are all the Instagram posts by the 18-year old conscripts of the IDF.. all smiles and comments like "We're coming for you Gaza".

And I'm supposed to side with these savages? I'm supposed to feel bad for them? Perhaps if Israel didn't have a tendency to go overboard and outright murder people, I might feel some sympathy. But they played that card LONG ago. I have no more sympathy. And I suspect people outside of the US have little sympathy too. Unfortunately all I am hearing are the megaphonies crying how Israel is the victim once again. Poor Israel. They must defend themselves. For they are the chosen people. They are better than all and they MUST survive!

Call me an anti-Semite. Call me a Jew hater. Call me whatever you want. At this point, I don't care and I will speak out about it. I hope Egypt and the rest of the Arab world step up. Hell, a united warning might be all it takes. "Stop this nonsense or we WILL come for you". Then again I know Israel doesn't give a damn. According to what they believe, they are the strongest military in the world. Especially with the US in their back pocket. I will be disgusted even more if the US gets involved in this. However, I don't really see that happening. Obama doesn't really give a damn about Israel.. and the backlash from our direct involvement would have MAJOR negative consequences around the world. So honestly I think we're sitting this one out.

Let's just hope Israel has enough sanity to keep their finger off the button.

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Unfortunately , I agree. Israel cannot fight the all of them at once. Assuming that is, they all work together which does seem unlikely. I fear the US might sacrifice Israel in the name of "peace" because of the sympathetic White House.

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Ah yes.. throw a stone, get a 2000lb JDAM dropped on your house.


YES, finally, a group of money lenders that pays a decent interest rate.

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reply to post by DerekJR321


If Israel wanted to kill indescriminately they could level Gaza in a matter of hours.

LOL IDF and Hamas fighting on Twitter.

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reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Are you aware that Marxism predates Anarchism and Communism both, by quite a few years?

Also, please dont write that Israel gave land to Palestinians. That land belongs to the Palestinians and is occupied. It cannot be given to them. And also, I dont know of any retreats from occupied lands by Israel, in fact, they have very actively been building illegal settlements all over the place.

Also, keep in mind the Balfour declaration, read it now if you dont know it well. It should explain a few things. Talking about Israel vs. Palestine is a false argument. We are talking Rotschilds vs. World here, as allways.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by DerekJR321

 

If Israel wanted to kill indescriminately they could level Gaza in a matter of hours.

No they can not. the two reasons why they can't are called Russia and China.

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Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How can we know the map is unbiased and not tilted towards a palestinian perspective? It seems to me israel has given lots of land to the palestinians

 

Well, all YOU have to do is to use google and look up how much land Israel started with and then compare with what they have today. Israel has not given land to the Palestinians, they have stolen it in the first place.

Don't rely on ats, do your own research, then come back and tell us what you have found. Then you can reply from a knowledgeable viewpoint rather than making up stuff as you go. Now, on the other hand, if you have an agenda, then please, by all means, continue. Agendas and truth are not good bedfellows.

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I have no agenda on ATS other than the truth and to help spread it.

It is hard to say jews "stole the palestinian land" or "occupying palestinian land" when palestine was never an official country to begin with. It was british territory where a small minority of jews lived(the rest were living in exile from the roman era), some christians and lots of arabs.

Then a british mandate gave land to the jews and this land became known officially as the nation of israel. The rest was palestine, still a territory of britain. Slowely jews expanded their borders, the arab neighbors of israel attacked and were beaten back. Palestine was unofficially created.

I am not aware of these jewish infiltrations into the unofficial palestinian land. Not saying you are wrong, as you may be correct. The bottom line is that the whole situation is much more complex than what the majority are willing to admit and neither side really wants to compromise.