reply to post by bpg131313
To begin with, you can stop throwing around ineffective scare-tactic words like "anti-semitic"
You seem reasonable. If someone pursues an idea like 'greater Israel', despite all the evidence to the contrary, wouldn't it be logical to assume that
this person has an axe to grind against Jews? And if he doesn't, he should be made aware that unjustifiable claims carry with them labels like
'anti-semite'. Not to scare the person, but to apprise them of the net-effect of their unjustifiable claims.
You have to be fair with people. If Israel's society, culture, is secular, why would they give a $hit about some biblical prophecies? To the minds of
most Israeli intellectuals, the Bible is mythology. It's prophecies referred to a different time and place. All Israel really wants, when you get down
to it, is to be acknowledged, accepted, and left alone.
If you want to call those military expansions, "Greater Israel", so be it
But why? They have never fought an expansionist war. Every land gain they have made has been while fighting on the defensive; even their desire to
take the golan heights was because the golan has 'height' and thus, gives enemies the advantage of shooting into Israeli territory.
Every one of Israel's gains have had some practicable purpose. They won Sinai, did they keep it? Or give it away for to sadat for a 'promise of peace'
(and the peace was made with a secular regime, not the muslim brotherhood)? That fact should suffice to demolish any theory that claims Israel has
aims of acquiring more land. It's simply a libel that serves to delegitimize Israels existence.
They aren't ignorant in this. Egypt and Syria haven't been innocent in all of this, and neither has Iran. Israel could easily expand their borders if
they chose to do so. Their reasoning for it would be their own, and not my concern.
Here's a possible idea. I'm only throwing this out there as food for thought.
Israelis are growing increasingly aware that the Palestinians will never make peace with them, and so, that there is no viability in a two state
solution. Many logically assume, that, like Gaza, if Israel were to withdraw from the westbank, that the westbank would become a new Gaza. Therefore,
if not a two state solution, what else is there? A one state solution - the annexation of the west bank and Gaza into Israel proper.
So, perhaps Israels longer term goals with the Gaza strip may be ousting Hamas altogether from power.. And perhaps occupying the region until a time
when Israel could formally annex, and then, grant citizenship to the arabs of the westbank and Gaza. This would bring an end to a 'blockade', an end
to the noxious Hamas propaganda, and would be a first stage in integrating Palestinian Arabs with the large Israeli Arab population.
15-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)