Just adding this, religion aside,
These people just might survive the apocalypse.
A Message From Semper, Your Survival FSME....Let's All Pitch In, page 2
reply posted on 15-11-2012 @ 12:12 PM by grayeagle
reply to post by semperfortis
I would think something on edible and medicinal plants and herbs would be very beneficial. I think a guide to what small animals are edible and how to prepare and preserve them. Also if there could be someway to organize and collate this information into a downloadable format so that people could put together a survival guide for themselves. I know that is asking a lot but I for one have limited finances and could not afford to buy a lot of books.
I would think something on edible and medicinal plants and herbs would be very beneficial. I think a guide to what small animals are edible and how to prepare and preserve them. Also if there could be someway to organize and collate this information into a downloadable format so that people could put together a survival guide for themselves. I know that is asking a lot but I for one have limited finances and could not afford to buy a lot of books.
reply posted on 15-11-2012 @ 08:16 PM by grayeagle
reply to post by semperfortis
How to make weapons out of common things(bow and arrow, slingshot, spear, etc.)
How to make weapons out of common things(bow and arrow, slingshot, spear, etc.)
reply posted on 15-11-2012 @ 08:40 PM by Ireminisce
reply to post by rickymouse
Ricky, I know it sounds silly, but if you're concerned with saving money while stock piling you really should look into couponning. You may have already. I don't go over board. 3 Sunday papers a week and I just match them to sales. I save a ton of money and always end up with way more food than I need. Not to mention, we won't be running out of bath products for a very long time.
Oh and to reply to the OP, I'm trying to get my husband on board. I sent my Mom over here today because she brought up something that had a thread running here.
Ricky, I know it sounds silly, but if you're concerned with saving money while stock piling you really should look into couponning. You may have already. I don't go over board. 3 Sunday papers a week and I just match them to sales. I save a ton of money and always end up with way more food than I need. Not to mention, we won't be running out of bath products for a very long time.
Oh and to reply to the OP, I'm trying to get my husband on board. I sent my Mom over here today because she brought up something that had a thread running here.
edit on 15-11-2012 by Ireminisce because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 15-11-2012 @ 10:21 PM by randyvs
reply to post by semperfortis
I've never felt that doom had to be gloom any way Semper. I think if one can stay up beat and positive to his dying breath ? He has at least given himself every chance he could to survive. Or if in a conflict ? Win. Keep a sense of humor and divert an emotional over load. I'll be watching for your threads and sound the drums as well.
I have found that by introducing it as a fun thing to be involved in, gets me a lot farther.
I've never felt that doom had to be gloom any way Semper. I think if one can stay up beat and positive to his dying breath ? He has at least given himself every chance he could to survive. Or if in a conflict ? Win. Keep a sense of humor and divert an emotional over load. I'll be watching for your threads and sound the drums as well.
edit on 15-11-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 15-11-2012 @ 11:14 PM by SplitInfinity
reply to post by semperfortis
I used to teach several forms of Survival...Winter and Arctic...Ocean, Jungle and how to survive in Swampy Tropical Areas as well as how to survive in my own area of New England in the Winter as believe it or not...although New England is a fairly densely populated area and in most New England States...all one has to do is follow a streams down flow till it runs into a creek or river and anyone lost in the woods will eventually find civilization but...MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT LAST 24 HOURS IF LOST IN THE WOODS OF NEW ENGLAND IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY!
I was teaching New England Winter Survival in 77 and 78 and BOTH TIMES we had MONSTROUS BLIZZARDS! We started out in 77 with 50 students...35 dropped out after 48 hours...13 more dropped out within 72 hours and 1 was forced to go to the Hospital with bad Frostbite as he did not want to leave but had no feeling in his feet. Only one student made it and this was a 14 day course. The only reason he even stayed as even though we were going to cancel the course we were SNOWED IN upon day 3!
In 78 it was even worse and all students were sent home after 18 hours. I have extensive knowledge on Edible Plant Life and how it can be found in Winter and Summer as well as how to run Snares, Dead Falls, Tiger Traps...which can be used up here to kill Deer, Bear, occasional Moose although that would be a tough kill. A person can create a very good Snare with a roll of Metal Wire. Wire can be tied to the top of a supple and flexible live tree such as a Popular, Birch, Hemlock...Pine if necessary but they get brittle in the cold and can break... and an assortment of others. All you have to do is find such a tree of a height for deer of about 20 ft or more...pull it down by it's lower branches...if possible, pound a Green Live Branch cut into a stake and make a notch in the stake or make a stake out of a branch that has another branch growing at a 90 Degree angle out of it. Cut this stake with a good knife that one should ALWAYS CARRY WITH THEM so that the branch that was coming out at 90 Degrees can be used to hold down another small branch that you have attached the wire that leads from the top of the bent tree to this small cut branch which is placed under the 90 Degree Branch of the Stake that has been pounded into the ground in that it looks like an UPSIDE DOWN LETTER L. The Wire will continue from the small branch that has been placed under much tension under the L shaped stake and will be laid upon the ground tied into a 1 to 2 foot in diameter circle that is the end of a SLIP KNOT. The wire should be raised by leaves...snow...small branches...and if the ground is too frozen a large rock or boulder or even the side of a tree that all may have some form of outward jutting RIDGE or KNOT IN THE TREES WOOD to hold the tension of the wire. Smaller trees can be used for Raccoon, Rabbit, Opossum, Squirrel...etc. To snare a Deer a larger tree must be used and if possible bait this snare with any green vegetation, Berry's, Bark of Maple, Birch...etc as well as use Acorns. Wire is best but if you have neither wire or rope...use Grapevines or any Strong Vines that are Supple. You will find Vines very easily but watch out for Poison Ivy which tends to climb Oak Trees. To make the vines much more supple...soak in water and then slam the vines against a tree or rock to remove the excess water so they will not freeze. If you do snare an animal...I suggest you read up on the Anatomy of Animals as it is important both Morally and from a SAFETY STANDPOINT to be able to kill quickly and efficiently. All fresh kills must be gutted so cut the skin and tissue around the anus and then carefully without cutting into the intestines or stomach...cut upward from the anus through the belly and up to the center bottom of the Rib Cage. This will allow the guts and intestines to spill out. These can also be used as bait. The animals skin will come off easily also. USE EVERYTHING...WASTE NOTHING! A Deer's Bladder can be used to hold WATER. It's hide can be used as either cloths or blanket or a wrapping for your shoes to keep your feet dry. Beaver Pelts are BEST for this as their hide is WATER PROOF. There are many other things I could tell you but for basic survival that we all should know...#1 is to ALWAYS CARRY A KNIFE. It is best to always have in your vehicle a Survival Knife that is sharp, has a Compass built into it's Handles End, inside the knife as the compass screws off to expose a hollow handle full with Fishing Line, Lures, Water Proof Matches, Flint, Tweezers, Super Glue...for instant repair of deep wounds, dental floss and a hooked needle...for stitching and small sharpening stone. Even in New England...a person lost in the woods or snowed in for days on a road in Winter is in DEEP TROUBLE as Wind Chill can get well below 30 to 50 degrees below Zero. S.I.
I used to teach several forms of Survival...Winter and Arctic...Ocean, Jungle and how to survive in Swampy Tropical Areas as well as how to survive in my own area of New England in the Winter as believe it or not...although New England is a fairly densely populated area and in most New England States...all one has to do is follow a streams down flow till it runs into a creek or river and anyone lost in the woods will eventually find civilization but...MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT LAST 24 HOURS IF LOST IN THE WOODS OF NEW ENGLAND IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY!
I was teaching New England Winter Survival in 77 and 78 and BOTH TIMES we had MONSTROUS BLIZZARDS! We started out in 77 with 50 students...35 dropped out after 48 hours...13 more dropped out within 72 hours and 1 was forced to go to the Hospital with bad Frostbite as he did not want to leave but had no feeling in his feet. Only one student made it and this was a 14 day course. The only reason he even stayed as even though we were going to cancel the course we were SNOWED IN upon day 3!
In 78 it was even worse and all students were sent home after 18 hours. I have extensive knowledge on Edible Plant Life and how it can be found in Winter and Summer as well as how to run Snares, Dead Falls, Tiger Traps...which can be used up here to kill Deer, Bear, occasional Moose although that would be a tough kill. A person can create a very good Snare with a roll of Metal Wire. Wire can be tied to the top of a supple and flexible live tree such as a Popular, Birch, Hemlock...Pine if necessary but they get brittle in the cold and can break... and an assortment of others. All you have to do is find such a tree of a height for deer of about 20 ft or more...pull it down by it's lower branches...if possible, pound a Green Live Branch cut into a stake and make a notch in the stake or make a stake out of a branch that has another branch growing at a 90 Degree angle out of it. Cut this stake with a good knife that one should ALWAYS CARRY WITH THEM so that the branch that was coming out at 90 Degrees can be used to hold down another small branch that you have attached the wire that leads from the top of the bent tree to this small cut branch which is placed under the 90 Degree Branch of the Stake that has been pounded into the ground in that it looks like an UPSIDE DOWN LETTER L. The Wire will continue from the small branch that has been placed under much tension under the L shaped stake and will be laid upon the ground tied into a 1 to 2 foot in diameter circle that is the end of a SLIP KNOT. The wire should be raised by leaves...snow...small branches...and if the ground is too frozen a large rock or boulder or even the side of a tree that all may have some form of outward jutting RIDGE or KNOT IN THE TREES WOOD to hold the tension of the wire. Smaller trees can be used for Raccoon, Rabbit, Opossum, Squirrel...etc. To snare a Deer a larger tree must be used and if possible bait this snare with any green vegetation, Berry's, Bark of Maple, Birch...etc as well as use Acorns. Wire is best but if you have neither wire or rope...use Grapevines or any Strong Vines that are Supple. You will find Vines very easily but watch out for Poison Ivy which tends to climb Oak Trees. To make the vines much more supple...soak in water and then slam the vines against a tree or rock to remove the excess water so they will not freeze. If you do snare an animal...I suggest you read up on the Anatomy of Animals as it is important both Morally and from a SAFETY STANDPOINT to be able to kill quickly and efficiently. All fresh kills must be gutted so cut the skin and tissue around the anus and then carefully without cutting into the intestines or stomach...cut upward from the anus through the belly and up to the center bottom of the Rib Cage. This will allow the guts and intestines to spill out. These can also be used as bait. The animals skin will come off easily also. USE EVERYTHING...WASTE NOTHING! A Deer's Bladder can be used to hold WATER. It's hide can be used as either cloths or blanket or a wrapping for your shoes to keep your feet dry. Beaver Pelts are BEST for this as their hide is WATER PROOF. There are many other things I could tell you but for basic survival that we all should know...#1 is to ALWAYS CARRY A KNIFE. It is best to always have in your vehicle a Survival Knife that is sharp, has a Compass built into it's Handles End, inside the knife as the compass screws off to expose a hollow handle full with Fishing Line, Lures, Water Proof Matches, Flint, Tweezers, Super Glue...for instant repair of deep wounds, dental floss and a hooked needle...for stitching and small sharpening stone. Even in New England...a person lost in the woods or snowed in for days on a road in Winter is in DEEP TROUBLE as Wind Chill can get well below 30 to 50 degrees below Zero. S.I.
reply posted on 16-11-2012 @ 08:03 AM by rickymouse
reply to post by Ireminisce
We use coupons a lot and also shop sales. Having the pantry has paid for itself a couple times over. There is less impulse buying and having backstocks means that you have time to wait for sales and coupons. We eat high on the hog for five bucks a day per person average, including going to a fishfry about twice a month. It costs us a little more to buy local but I would rather buy from a small store or local farmer than to buy from someone from a different area. Buying grassfed organic aged beef from a local farmer helps greatly, you seem to need less meat if the meat is high quality, the hunger turns off with the better quality beef. You think you would eat more because it tastes so good but the opposite is true.
We started this project by buying things that we don't ordinarily eat just because we got them cheap with coupons. That stuff wound up getting tossed out because it got old. We only buy stuff we use now and there is no waste. We have stocked food we normally eat, not stuff that we don't know how it is going to effect our thinking and health.
We use coupons a lot and also shop sales. Having the pantry has paid for itself a couple times over. There is less impulse buying and having backstocks means that you have time to wait for sales and coupons. We eat high on the hog for five bucks a day per person average, including going to a fishfry about twice a month. It costs us a little more to buy local but I would rather buy from a small store or local farmer than to buy from someone from a different area. Buying grassfed organic aged beef from a local farmer helps greatly, you seem to need less meat if the meat is high quality, the hunger turns off with the better quality beef. You think you would eat more because it tastes so good but the opposite is true.
We started this project by buying things that we don't ordinarily eat just because we got them cheap with coupons. That stuff wound up getting tossed out because it got old. We only buy stuff we use now and there is no waste. We have stocked food we normally eat, not stuff that we don't know how it is going to effect our thinking and health.
reply posted on 27-11-2012 @ 12:08 PM by grayeagle
reply to post by kdog1982
I watched my first episode of Doomsday Preppers on Hulu and watched the guy shoot his thumb off! OMG! He can have all the survival gear in the world and still die. I am sure he and his friends think they are ahead of the game but honestly, if he makes those kinds of errors (putting his thumb over the barrel of a loaded weapon) I question his survival thinking. If this is a sample of the show I am not impressed.
It takes more than just gear and books. He could just as easily have shot a family member and wounded or killed them. Wounding someone without all the medical services available could put the whole family at risk. He won't have a paramedic standing by and the helicopter to fly him to a hospital as he did filming the episode.
Survival requires a mindset that is constantly assessing risk versus reward. We take so many things for granted in our lives that won't be available in a true survival situation. A mistake like shooting your thumb off could be a total deal breaker. He had his much shortened thumb reattached surgically and I am sure with a round of antibiotics that more than likely would not be available.
Problem solving is often learned in the atmosphere of necessity. Let's face it most people have not learned problem solving skills because it has not been a necessity.
I watched my first episode of Doomsday Preppers on Hulu and watched the guy shoot his thumb off! OMG! He can have all the survival gear in the world and still die. I am sure he and his friends think they are ahead of the game but honestly, if he makes those kinds of errors (putting his thumb over the barrel of a loaded weapon) I question his survival thinking. If this is a sample of the show I am not impressed.
It takes more than just gear and books. He could just as easily have shot a family member and wounded or killed them. Wounding someone without all the medical services available could put the whole family at risk. He won't have a paramedic standing by and the helicopter to fly him to a hospital as he did filming the episode.
Survival requires a mindset that is constantly assessing risk versus reward. We take so many things for granted in our lives that won't be available in a true survival situation. A mistake like shooting your thumb off could be a total deal breaker. He had his much shortened thumb reattached surgically and I am sure with a round of antibiotics that more than likely would not be available.
Problem solving is often learned in the atmosphere of necessity. Let's face it most people have not learned problem solving skills because it has not been a necessity.
The Oldest and Most Incredible Weapons System...Ever. The ATLATL.
Posted 4 days ago with 58 member flags
Posted 4 days ago with 58 member flags
Mental Illness--how the hell do they expect to make it? (Anxiety, Rage, Bi-polar, Ect)
Posted 15 days ago with 12 member flags
Posted 15 days ago with 12 member flags
Newest topics, updated in real-time:
Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:
Sleep disorders and disturbances. I start with the science, you bring in the alternatives
Health & Wellness: 10 hours ago, 17 flags
Health & Wellness: 10 hours ago, 17 flags
'DAILY SHOW' Creator Says OKLA. Tornado Meant For Conservatives, Apolgizes
Breaking Political News: 12 hours ago, 14 flags
Breaking Political News: 12 hours ago, 14 flags
Newest topics getting replies, in real-time:
'DAILY SHOW' Creator Says OKLA. Tornado Meant For Conservatives, Apolgizes
Breaking Political News: 12 hours ago, 62 replies
Breaking Political News: 12 hours ago, 62 replies
Details of Alleged Photographic Evidence Re Roswell UFO Crash Leaked To The Public!
Aliens and UFOs: 15 hours ago, 26 replies
Aliens and UFOs: 15 hours ago, 26 replies
The Above Top Secret Web sites are a
wholly owned social content community of
The Above Network, LLC.
This content community relies on
user-generated content from our member contributors.
The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership
who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides
a collaborative venue for free expression.
ATS Server: www2.theabovenetwork.com
Header data: 0.003 seconds
Page processed in: 0.208 seconds
wholly owned social content community of
The Above Network, LLC.
This content community relies on
user-generated content from our member contributors.
The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership
who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides
a collaborative venue for free expression.
ATS Server: www2.theabovenetwork.com
Header data: 0.003 seconds
Page processed in: 0.208 seconds
