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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
You are probably the first Christian I've met who has spoken this way against Moses.

Okay .. here's some more ...

The whole Moses and Exodus story from the OT ... told from the Jewish point of view so naturally they are the 'good guys'. If they really were slaves in Egypt then where'd they get all that gold to make a golden calf out of?? Answer .. they probably STOLE IT .. and that's why Pharoahs chariots were chasing them across the desert. Not to get slaves back ... but to get the gold that was stolen back.

I'd bet a box of donuts on that one .. but we'll never know for sure .. will we??

Originally posted by logical7
what i see is that anything you read(OT, NT, answering Islam), you believe it to be true except when its anything good from islam,

Like I've said before .. do you even read what I post??
Does't look like it.

Originally posted by babloyi
You don't seem to accept the validity of the OT?

I don't think there is much of 'GOD' to be found in the old testament. A lot of people CLAIMING to be prophets etc and doing God's Will ... but considering how freak'n old it is and how often it's probably gone through changes ... and considering that a lot of it was stolen passages from other older cultures and religions and then 'adapted' to make them Jewish .. I don't put much credibility in the OT at all.

Do you accept the validity of any of the Bible?

The 'New Testament' is much newer and can be traced. That doesn't mean that everything written in it is valid or true .. but it's in better shape than the old testament for sure.

I only care about what Christ said and did. What Paul thinks .. what John thinks ... that's not nearly as important as what Christ said and did. It's CHRISTianity .. not Paulianity or Johnianity. Example - Revelation which is written by John. He was an old man, living a stressful life in exhile, not eating well, and had been immersed in religion his whole life. Revelation could EASILY be dementia driven dreams of a stressed out, malnourished old Jewish man.

How do you know which part is correct?

For myself ... I get a basic feel for what Christ said and did and go with it. I don't even know if His exact words were written down or changed. But I try to get a good feel for what the message is.

Jesus quoted from the OT.

Yep. Some. Not all. He did talk about Daniel for instance.

Paul said that ALL scripture is derived from God, and worthy of study and reflection. You don't believe the OT is included in that? Paul seemed to think so- he used examples from the OT regularly. Or you don't accept Paul?

I dont' care what Paul thought. If he thinks the Adam and Eve myth was real ... or that Onanism was punishable by death from God .. or that all the animals on the planet sent two of their kind to Noahs Ark for a boat ride ... that's his problem. I'm not buying it.

It is said of Jesus's second coming that he will convert all the world to Christianity as well (and destroy all those who resist).

I dunno' ... I get that when Christ comes again He'll separate the goats from the sheep (the bad and the good) and that everyone will see Him come again and they will believe because they see him. I don't think they will 'either convert or die' at the tip of a sword when He arrives again .. but they will convert to believing in Him because they see Him come in full glory. And when he separates the good and the bad, it doesn't mean that a peaceful loving Buddhist person is 'bad' just because, up until the arrival of Christ, that person was Buddhist.

Now what the Christians do BEFORE Christ shows up .. that could be a war type thing. But Christians haven't exactly always been the best at doing what God wanted ....

So you are saying all that is okay, while the fact that Muhammad participated in and lead battles is not, because "Jesus is God"? Not sure how much sense that makes.

Jesus doesn't lead a human army to slaughter people because they don't believe a certain way. At least, that's not what I'm reading from His words. Jesus didn't raise an army and slaughter people 2,000 years ago. He raised his hand to heal ... and to drive the money changers out of the temple (which He claimed for His Father). Muhammad, on the other hand, led a life of theft and murder. BIG DIFFERENCE.


ON TOPIC ... not a chance in the world I'd follow some Mahdi fella who was hell bent on making the world Islamic at the tip of a sword. No freak'n way. I don't buy Islam. I don't approve of how it treats women. I don't believe any of it.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Either you believe or you don't . Cherry picking the bible is not an option .

Wrong. The bible isn't an all or nothing kind of thing.
Noahs Ark .. Adam and Eve ... Onanism ... Absurd.
Jesus and his teachings ... Awesome.
I can throw out whatever I feel is bunk. It's my right.
You have NO RIGHT to try to claim I can't.