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She provided the 'yes' to God saying she agreed to be His mother. She provided the egg. She provided the womb.
Luke 1:32: He (Jesus) will be great. Men will call him the Son of the Most High 'Most High" = God.
She participated in the creation of His body, like my mother participated in the creation of my body.
However, there is enough evidence in scripture proving that point, that the vast
majority of Christians believe that Jesus is indeed God incarnate.
She didn't create his soul anymore
than my mother created mine. (she didn't). She participated in the creation
of His body, like my mother
participated in the creation of my
body.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
You make it seem as if God asked Mary for permission... to say a "yes" so Jesus could begin as an embryo.
In Jesus' case God created him directly in the womb.
]Jesus being called "son of God" does not mean he was God.
For normal people, the "participation" involves the presence of the man... It implies a physical relationship between the man and the woman.
This "evidence" is flimsy and is what Im debating.
A woman is a man’s mother either if she carried him in her womb or if she was the woman contributing half of his genetic matter or both. Mary was the mother of Jesus in both of these senses; because she not only carried Jesus in her womb but also supplied all of the genetic matter for his human body, since it was through her—not Joseph—that Jesus "was descended from David according to the flesh" (Rom. 1:3).
Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ.
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh" (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)—and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
He did ask permission. Luke 1:38 He announced that Mary was chosen to be the mother of Jesus and she said this BEFORE it happened ... "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her. She didn't become pregnant until after she gave her permission .. 'may it be done to me as you have said'. Otherwise, if she didn't give permission, it would have been RAPE.
In Mary's womb. With Mary's Egg. She's His mother. It's amazing the gymnastics you are going through to try to deny her this honor. But it's all there.
Believe what you wish. The quote says .. he will be great, called Son of the Most High. And elsewhere Jesus Himself said 'if you have seen me then you have seen The Father'.
Of course they didn't have sex ... but Mary still was a particpant. She provided the egg. She provided the womb. And 'the Holy Spirit overshadowed her' (that was the conception). She is the Mother of Jesus .. who is God Incarnate.
Logical7 you have no responce to the scripture stating God said Jesus was his son ? Kinda shoots your theory in the foot that Jesus was not the Son of God .
The words of God says this is my Son and I am well pleased in him . God put the seed in Mary and Jesus was born of God the Father and Mary .
How can you sit there and try to say otherwise . Is lying acceptable in spiritual things in Islam ?
That is exactly what God the Father did . Mary was virgin until after Jesus was born . Notice how the Father used a pure vessel like Mary to form the seed of the Son of God within her womb . No sex was involved .as you would suppose .
Now take the vessel called Mohammad that was a vile corrupt vessel full of sin . Why would God use that unclean vessel when no doubt there were other pure vessels to do his will if he needed anything done after Jesus
God would not use the tainted vessel for Holy things But Satan would .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
Logical7 you have no responce to the scripture stating God said Jesus was his son ? Kinda shoots your theory in the foot that Jesus was not the Son of God .
Originally posted by mideast
That question is
If I follow whatever Jesus tells me to do , will you follow what Mahdi is asking you ?
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by logical7
Jesus did already bring us the one faith .A lot of Jews were Christians at the time of his death and ressurection . But you go your way , as for me and my house we will serve the Lord .