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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Islam is often portrayed by Christian fundamentalists as a cultural / religious force that is inherently opposed to Judeo-Christian beliefs. The truth is, Islam has its roots in the religious traditions of the Bible and this is demonstrated through Islams acceptance of the Israelite prophets.
The problem is, Muslims having borrowed much of their religion from early Judeo-Christian beliefs, now feel that Islam is superior to Judaism and Christianity.
Islam has a bit of a problem here though from a Jewish and Christian perspective though. It envisions itself as a replacement theology. And per Leviticus 26 a replacement theology is impossible. The God of Abraham made a legal agreement with the Israelites in the desert during the time of Moses. To break it and disown the the Jews and Israelites would be impossible for him.
However this is what's happening to them currently. 2000 years ago they triggered the curse of Malachi with the death of John the Baptist. Who Jesus Christ claimed was the Elijah the prophet.
Can Islam really be valid? Or was it just temporary? Another problem. The curse is coming to an end. Best guess it ends in the 2020s.
According to the prophesies the Israelites were eventually to become a multitude of nations. And they have had 3000 years plus to do that. Essentially by now the world is filled with Israelites. And that would mean most if not all of the world's Muslims are now Israelites and under the curse of Malachi.
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation-Genesis 17:20
But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. -John 15:26
But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. -John 16:7
But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. -John 14:26
And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. John 14:16
And most certainly We gave Moses the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then an apostle came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew. -Quran 2.87
The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.” The Lord said to me: “What they say is good.I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.” You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. -Deuteronomy 18
He said: “The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran(mountains around Mecca). He came with myriads(ten thousand) of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.-Deuteronomy 33:2
The only thing that Islam replaced was the culture of idolatry and polytheism that was rampant in Arabia. Islam was a separate revelation to a separate people.
The conditions of Leviticus 26 applies to the Israelites.... that if they sin against God, they will taste the punishmnent.
Israel has been accused of the crimes of killing prophets even by Jesus. They will bear the punishments for this. Not the muslims who honor the prophets.
Isaiah 42 confirms that Islam is of God. It was the light to the gentiles. We know the servant of God in Isaiah 42 (pertaining to Kedar) is Mohammad because no Biblical prophet was ever active in Kedar and the wilderness.... no biblical prophet had anything to do with Kedars idolaters. Isaiah 42 points directly to Mohammad.
Well, by that logic, the "curse" would have also fallen on the apostles and the early Israelite converts to Christianity. Because some evil Jews killed John the baptist, even the early Christian church who were comprised of Jews are under the curse. Or are Christians somehow exempt from this "curse" that you speak of?
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by ntech
Islam has a bit of a problem here though from a Jewish and Christian perspective though. It envisions itself as a replacement theology. And per Leviticus 26 a replacement theology is impossible. The God of Abraham made a legal agreement with the Israelites in the desert during the time of Moses. To break it and disown the the Jews and Israelites would be impossible for him.
The only thing that Islam replaced was the culture of idolatry and polytheism that was rampant in Arabia. Islam was a separate revelation to a separate people.
The conditions of Leviticus 26 applies to the Israelites.... that if they sin against God, they will taste the punishmnent.
The Koran addresses this
Then Allah said, "It is expected, if you repent, that your Lord will have mercy upon you. But if you return to sin, We will return to punishment. And We have made Hell, for the disbelievers, a prison-bed."
-Koran 17:8
However this is what's happening to them currently. 2000 years ago they triggered the curse of Malachi with the death of John the Baptist. Who Jesus Christ claimed was the Elijah the prophet.
Israel has been accused of the crimes of killing prophets even by Jesus. They will bear the punishments for this. Not the muslims who honor the prophets.
Can Islam really be valid? Or was it just temporary? Another problem. The curse is coming to an end. Best guess it ends in the 2020s.
Isaiah 42 confirms that Islam is of God. It was the light to the gentiles.
We know the servant of God in Isaiah 42 (pertaining to Kedar) is Mohammad because no Biblical prophet was ever active in Kedar and the wilderness.... no biblical prophet had anything to do with Kedars idolaters. Isaiah 42 points directly to Mohammad.
According to the prophesies the Israelites were eventually to become a multitude of nations. And they have had 3000 years plus to do that. Essentially by now the world is filled with Israelites. And that would mean most if not all of the world's Muslims are now Israelites and under the curse of Malachi.
Well, by that logic, the "curse" would have also fallen on the apostles and the early Israelite converts to Christianity. Because some evil Jews killed John the baptist, even the early Christian church who were comprised of Jews are under the curse. Or are Christians somehow exempt from this "curse" that you speak of?
edit on 14-11-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
Paul the apostle was bitten by a poisonous snake (Acts 28:1-6), and Paul suffered no ill effects from the bite. G-d had his hand of protection on Paul, to finish the work that Paul had laid out before him.
Could it be that the so called "Gabriel" was preaching a false religion (Galatians 1:8) to Muhammad? Could Gabriel have been a deceptive demon or even Satan himself? I will leave you to decide ...