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Originally posted by TDawgRex
But the Constitution is law. And nowhere does it say that states can secede.
It does however give them rights to govern themselves locally.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
Originally posted by Honor93
well yes, you cannot discuss the Constitution without the Bill of Rights.
while the BoR stands independent of the Constitution, the Constitution does not stand independent of the BoR.
what about the Amendments ??
are they laws ? - no
have they changed over the years ? - yes
are they permanent once ratified ? - no
please ask a more specific question.
Hmmm, So the amendments are the not law, but the basis for law?
I know that they can be changed.
But if they are not law, why do we see people in court all the time citing a violation of free speech?
Or using the fifth in a attempt to protect themselves or others?
These cases reach the SCOTUS quite often. Such as McDonald v. Chicago, which involved the 2d Amendment.
When I see such cases being addressed, I will admit that I see the issue as both about rights and law.
Intertwined, yet seperate? Is that what you are saying?
But if they are not law, why do we see people in court all the time citing a violation of free speech?
the 5th is a protection one can assert at all times, in all situations, problem is, most can't keep their mouths shut long enough to exercise said protection (self included)
Or using the fifth in a attempt to protect themselves or others
he is actually wrong but right at the same time.
you are absolutely correct... nowhere in the Constitution does it address secession
constitution.org...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, [color=amber]it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
when i get up to that area to visit, i'll be sure to collect on that dinner invitation
Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Honor93
Thanks for your input. If you lived in Ohio, I would love to buy you a dinner and discuss this more. Laws, Religions, ideology, etc almost always boils down to interpretation or perspective.
As much as I wish things were black and white, they rarely are.
Now my head hurts.
i believe your own imagination is getting the best of you.
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by Honor93
Trying to project into the future, if the 50 states break away, then recreate a new one, would the ones in place be ones who are doing it for the money, or for the honor?
However, expanding out, it's more than breaking away, we break away form the UN (Great idea), and we'll be treated like a new country, all ties to other countries will be severed and they will have to be renewed (sucks to be the new guy)..