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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Advantage
Heff... I wasnt joking when I said I just loved you and Beezer to death.. I see you both as very much the same.


LOL. Youve got to be kidding me.

Heff is a beacon of reason and humanity. Beezer is a far right, pro rich and pro war propaganda outlet.

No comparison at all.





posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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The sad part is that this is what the system wants. You have been socially conditioned to fight amongst yourself and divide entire population into two groups.
Even if you agree with BOTH republican and democratic politics you are still put in group and called either republican or democrat/socialist.
Even if you are a republican but agree with just free health care you are still labelled as a socialist/communist/democrat by other republicans and same thing if you are a democrat that agrees with lets say privatization or tax relief.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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To the contrary - neither will you be flamed by me nor would I support the idea of banning you. I would even fight the idea if another mod said that they wished to remove your post.

It was not my desire to demonize conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I have openly stated, many times, that prior to Bush 43's second term, I self identified as one. I still very much believe in some of the core conservative values.

Sadly, it is the approach some conservatives wish to use, as of late, that cause me pain. I am not a proponent of supply side ( trickle down ) economics. We've had 30 years of that and, IMO, it's a failed doctrine. Now that we have to adjust course many conservatives wish to gut social services from the bottom. This is where I disagree. There is a lot of waste at the top ( business subsidies, tax breaks, etc ) where we can begin. I don't see attacking the disenfranchised as a good policy.

As a person who also invests a lot of their own time to volunteering, I commend you humbly for doing so yourself. If more people were giving of their time and their compassion, we would certainly have less of the problems that plague modern society.

~Heff



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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It really has nothing to do with SAD. I love seasons too, fall is my favorite, but for some reason, this time of year sets off mental illness.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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It really has nothing to do with SAD. I love seasons too, fall is my favorite, but for some reason, this time of year sets off mental illness.


Maybe we are just more chemically balanced than others.

I knew there was a reason I was superiour to others.


Joking! Put down the spatula!



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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From another angle, I often wonder how so many troops are willing to kill others in another country on behalf of 'orders' from ? (most are unaware), whereas when confronted with enemies of the State, the country, here at home, they would rather 'off' themselves, commit suicide rather than go after those that wish their destruction, encouraged their destruction/enslavement/subjectory while encouraging euthanasia/genocide with a deadly regimen of pharmaceutaKills/deadly vaccinations.

Why are so many willing to kill an unknown 'enemy' at the 'order' of another, for the benefit of another, though are unwilling to do so at home for the benefit of the nation? Who wins with 'suicide'? Certainly not oneself/family. If one is to 'go out', go out a hero, not a zero for the Creator certainly does not reward cowardice, ignorance or self-destruction. Highly trained specOps not only eliminate their targets, they eliminate the planners as well so as they may not repeat. One has a Right and Duty to protect/defend oneself, family and their country.

Should one be reminded that the price for Treason, Crimes against humanity, Espionage and 'so' forth is Death? This is law that need not be written for it should be 'understood' as any other Natural Law with or without the Jurisprudence.
I have yet to see the IG able to get one case for these 'cases' through the DOJ as most are compromised/censored from doing so.....though the evidence is overwhelming and 'present' for prosecution and many Discovery sessions were censored before the facts of the disovery were presented before a jury of one's peers. Any Judge can be compromised as many are, therefor one must insist on a public jury trial to disclose the facts to the citizenry as they stand.

All intelligence agencies are 'aware' of this though are afraid to act, less their own lives are in danger as has been demonstrated recently. Clearly any 'semblance' of the "Rule of Law" has been suspended by some of the most psychotic, corrupt, evil imbeciles that pollute the Earth. Blasphemy unto one's self, family and neighbors. Most are subjects/slaves of those that corrupt society and therefor are viewed/treated as such.



“Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love.”
~Rainer Maria Rilke~
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Heff,

I read through your original post twice, however, I'm not going to read the rest of the posts in this thread, mainly because I predict it will be mostly posted with messages leaning one way or another.

However, there has been something that I've been thinking about for many years now. It started back during W. Bush's first term that got my attention and since then I've been watching, reading, researching and observing.

I've come to some conclusions based upon all that, and especially since this past election. Everything I'm saying here is only my humble opinion, and of course is like belly buttons: everyone has one.

But this is what I have been seeing:

Our country has always been one big melting pot. Many different cultures, classes, beliefs and ideals, since Day One.
The term "Melting Pot" may not be correct however. There has been a blending of many things, but we also have many things that people hold on to, and are not blended in. So for me, really, the US isn't so much a melting pot, as it is a Hodge Podge.

We've always done many things in a unique way compared to many countries. Even our government when we first formed it was called "The Great Experiment".

There was one thing however, that our founding fathers really wanted to make sure of: that the people of our nation have a government that they, the people can control and have a say in things. The majority of the people at the time thought that was a great idea.

However, how we go about things, how we govern ourselves, how we spend money (the governments that is), how our government gets money (taxes, tariffs, etc), what our government should and should not be allowed to do, and what kind of business we do outside of our borders has always been a point of contention with everyone, since that very first day.

By our 3rd president, Thomas Jefferson, we'd double the size of our country after he purchased the Louisiana Territory for 3 million dollars. A lot of people thought it was a big waste of money, while many others thought it was a good investment.

By the time we got close to the Civil War, our nation was very polarized. It's horrible how many people still think that war was fought over slavery, when the truth was that it was over State's Rights. So many people were tired of having a strong central government where as others were quite happy to have one.
So the Civil War happened, and we all know how that ended. It ended with a lot of people dead, and assasinated president, and a devastated portion of the US (the South.), and worse, the south was punished for this afterwards (factoid: so devastated that it wasn't until 1942 that the state of SC was considered "recovered" from that war).

So since then, we've had a strong central government that dictates to the individual states. Over those decades, many things had changed to where people came to believe in having a strong central government. Disasters strike in one state, and the federal government was there to help, as an example of people believing in it. So much so that by the time WW2 rolled around, not many questioned the US Government.

After WW2, we were sitting on top of the world. But then things started to change again. Not too long after the war, our government was seeing "Communistic Aggressors" everywhere (sound familiar?), unless you were an obviously flag waving, "God Bless America" looking person, you were suspect, subject to arrest, interrogation.....(again, sound familiar to something going on in today's world?). People just let it happened, because after all: we need a strong central government to protect us from those "Commie Bastards", etc, etc.
And America needed to be strong against that Communistic Aggression. And to be strong, we need a strong government. We need to spend money on a strong military, we need to be first and foremost the most powerful nation on Earth.....Look! We even have programs to help people in need started back before WW2! They need money to do that!

And in many ways, that mind set hasn't gone away. Instead of Communists, now we have Terrorists. More, we need to take care of everyone because we started to do that way back when, and now we still need to do it, but it costs money.

So who's fault is it that we spend so much? Who's fault is it that we see a suicide bomber under every bed? Who's fault is it that we are in so much debt?

Those Right Wing Nut Jobs! Right? Or wait, maybe it's those Bleeding Heart Liberal Hippies! Right?

Nope.

Who's fault is it? It's our fault. We the people. That's who is at fault.

Because we're all too busy pointing fingers at each other. And when one side does gain control, we let that side give the government more power. Each side does it. Each side turns a blind eye to it, just to prove a point.

This conflict, should not be Right vs. Left.

It should be People vs. Government.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Beautifully stated! Kudos Sir!

~Heff



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
Does wanting the poor, sick, and disadvantaged to have access to food, shelter, and medical care really make me some sort of Stalinist monster? Am I the one in the wrong? If not - then why are others so absolutely threatened by my views that they would openly discuss secession and killing? How can I have been raised in basically the same environment as others and, yet, have evolved with such a drastically different world view?


Just a few quick thoughts. First, in answer to your question above, no. I want those things for everyone else too. What bothers people is when other people start advocating that the government provide these things, which means the government will take their stuff to provide for other people. It doesn't sound so bad at first, but it's a really slippery slope. Personally, I say that if you want the sick, poor, etc. to have access to food, shelter, etc., then do it yourself! Work together with charities and private institutions, churches and food banks! Unfortunately, getting the government involved necessitates force, because the government passes laws, and sends people with guns after people who disobey them...that's what bothers people. I don't think you're a sick Stalinist monster. I do think you're overly optimistic in the power of the government to provide the things you want. Historically, governments are stinkin' TERRIBLE at it!


Now, as far as being suicidal goes, I'm afraid that would have happened no matter who won--just different people. I think you do have a point about how, um, unreasoning the USA has become...I'm afraid we have turned into a culture of argument that often sees things in a sort of black-and-white knee-jerk dichotomy... Unfortunately, it is very hard to function as a nation when we have become, as you have said, this "fragmented as a people." Unlike most other cultures throughout the history of the world, the USA currently is home to people holding widely divergent worldviews. Perhaps one day these worldviews will cause ideological and ultimately geographical fragmentation within the states, and perhaps that's not a bad thing--I think when people can't go any further together, they ought to shake hands and part ways.

Although I must say, I think Obama getting reelected is a pretty lame reason for secession.
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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I have volunteered at a local mental health clinic, off and on, for the past 9 years and donate food to my local food bank on a monthly basis. For the past year, or so, my involvement has been lessened of late because my own real life situation is not currently as stable as it needs to be.

Through my volunteering I have learned that Federal dollars are absolutely necessary. It may be a situation contained to just my state of residence, Georgia, but there is a very active Tea Party movement here and almost all public services have been gutted over the past 4-5 years. In fact Georgia is so neglectful in their responsibilities to the marginalized and needy that they've been fined by the Federal government several times over. During this period not many private donors have come forth to assist with the budgetary shortfalls of these social services. When I began helping at the mental health clinic, for example, they had a very, very basic set of services. A sliding fee scale, based upon income, free medication ( mostly, but not exclusively through Patient Assistance Programs sponsored by pharmaceutical companies ), and two levels of available counseling, Currently none of those programs exist - aside from an on site nurse practitioner to write prescriptions and some group therapy meetings held without the benefit of any trained professionals present. Even then, the nurse practitioner gets 10 minutes every three months with a patient - hardly enough time to properly diagnose or treat any illness.

The end result? Our area is one of the highest crime regions in the US. Our jails here are infamously overcrowded - and are being used, more and more often, as a replacement for homeless shelters and mental health facilities. It's easier, here, to simply trump up some charges and jail people for a year or two than it it is to help them.

The irony? It costs more to jail and house them than their medication, food, and group sheltering would have cost to begin with.

Those on the extreme right simply don't understand a basic notion. You cannot build a penthouse without the building having a strong foundation. The working poor and lower middle class ARE that foundation. Abandon them and, well, the penthouse comes crashing down and everyone loses. Reinforcing the foundation is the most conservative, humane, and rational answer to the dilemma.

~Heff



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Where did you find that video of me?

just kiddin'


After reading my post, I realized that I rambled on a bit......sign of my years starting to become advanced.

The point I was trying to make was: this country seems to have always been divided since it's inception back in the 18th century.
Sometimes those divisions are weak, more of a opinion. Sometimes they are quite strong, strong enough for people to be willing to die for (whether they are right or wrong in believing that is not the point. The point is just that is how strongly some can feel about something.).

For example, let's look at what you started the thread with: You, want people to be taken care of. The helpless, the misfortunate, the sick and needy.

That is a very noble thing, and you don't have to be a Liberal to want to do that either. Thinking that a government should be able to take care of it's people who are in need is a good thing.

However, that costs money. And yes, the government prints it's own money, we all know that's not how good economics work. The money to do those things will have to come from the citizens that belong to this country.

That's where the other side of the coin comes in: people who say that they want to see people like this taken care of too (they are not all heartless monsters), but they just don't think the government should be doing it. That people should try to live within their means, and those that can't (because they are homeless, very poor, very sick, etc), should receive help via the communities they are in. Churches, non-profit organizations, etc, should be there to help those people, and pay for it from donations, charities drives, and that sort of things.

So who is right and who is wrong?

Neither and both.

You see, that's the problem: people want to take sides and form opinions about it. Sometimes it's just a passing opinion, sometimes it's a Scream At The Top Of Their Lungs opinion.

Instead of taking sides, people should instead be looking at it and trying to find a way to make both work, because both should be able to work: the government helps, and so do the people in communities.

For the government, it should be a system of: they can help IF they have the money. Taxes collected that are slated for those programs to help should ONLY be used for that, and nothing else. If it's not enough money, then it is not enough. You can't rob Peter to pay Paul, because you already owe Gary too. And in order to ensure that those funds ONLY get used for those programs, some sort of accountability should be in place. If the government fails in that, then those responsible are removed immediately. No hiding behind any loop holes, etc.

The communities should also be involved, but in order for them to be effective means that more people need to be involved, care, and are able to help in some way.

But in order for that to work, people need to CARE enough about it. It means that if you only think of yourself, then it means you're most likely not going to help.
It also means that people need to be ABLE to help. If you yourself are out of work, struggling to pay bills and take care of your own family, chances are you may not be able to help.

Then there is greed. I'm not against the rich. Taking an idea, and turning it into something you can sell and make a lot of money off of it so you can live nicely is one the dreams people have had in this country since before it was a country.
But, if a person makes 50 million a year, would it really kill them to donate 1/50 of that to needy causes? 1 million out of 50 million. Can they really NOT live on 49 million a year? Considering the amount of people that live making under 30k a year, I really don't see it, and can only call it greed.

So the point I'm making is that we all look at the government and expect them to fix everything. Including themselves. And you have half the country that thinks it's right, and the other side is wrong. When in reality they are both wrong, because for most, they thing their side will run the government better, when it's been clearly obvious that for 80 years or so now, the government is only thinking of one thing:

Itself.

The writing has been on the wall for awhile now. We're too busy calling each other names and playing the blame game, when the blame is on all of us, because we let the government do as it pleases, instead of holding it accountable all because they have their guy in office!

It's like we are treating this like a football game, with the Oval office being the football.

Instead of competing with each other, putting each other down, we should all be trying to work together and find common points that we can agree on and work from there.

Here's one I think we can all agree on: something should be done about the obscene paychecks they give themselves. Let's give them a pay cut.
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Well, I kinda hate to reply, because I don't want to derail this thread into a welfare debate, but I'd just like to point out that you assume that Georgia is responsible for the marginalized. I think we, their fellow citizens are-not the state. But, as people tend to abrogate their own duties to society in favor of making the state the guardian, what can we expect? At some level, government represents its citizens, and I would say that the USA's slide into a bigger government represents the desire of its citizens to be irresponsible (tho' I do believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong--that citizens of the US of A are among the most charitable people worldwide.) I suppose this highlights a difference between our mindsets--you view the state as having a responsibility to the people (why?), I view its basic function as administration of justice. (Which, by the way, I don't think is served by slapping people in prison because they're annoying and need medical attention.)

Perhaps, too, some people's focus isn't on building a penthouse. I'm wary of attempts by a government to manipulate society, in most circumstances. I say this because I think you assume that everyone wants to "build a penthouse" and that there is a dilemma present in society. Realize that some people believe the focus of government should be on preserving justice within the social order (or something along those lines) not improving it. I'm just trying to give you some insight, because, as you pointed out, there's not enough reasonable communication across ideological lines in today's society. Personally, I am not at all sanguine about the our ability to make the world a significantly better place. Humanity, for as long as we have existed, has always suffered from some basic ailments...disease...poverty...injustice. Shoot, even if you live a healthy life, you still die at the end, right? Nothing the government can do about that. The only ability that the government has that private citizens don't is the ability to pass laws and enforce them with violence. I'm really wary about letting that dog off the leash, so to speak.

Well, I've gone on for a long while now. Hopefully this has been informative and stimulating.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 04:32 AM
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excellent post...I'm from the UK where things are probably a bit different but i too

have often wondered why our 'backbenchers' in parliament get paid more than the average

salary.Plus they get expenses (which i do not object to)....as long as they are 'legitimate'

and accountable.

It is my belief that the 'very' rich you mention start out to make money for their families to

have the best etc. (which is understandable) But when they get there, their attitude changes

to i want a bigger house, private jet, private island etc.( more and bigger) than the richest man

ahead of them.

Michael Cain (the actor) famously said that when he was a poor hungry struggling actor he

was invisible no one wanted to know and when he made it and had everything he

wanted or needed, the same people were falling over themselves to buy him posh meals etc.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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The problems have been building for decades there.... its now reaching the boiling point and all hell will break loose .... its not any one person or groups fault... the fault lies with everyone for pursuing their own interests / agendas thinking their way is the only way... people forgot how to unite to help each other out and make things better... they lost compassion.... unwilling to talk or comprimise..... in the end theres nothing you can do other than live each day and try to help those you see who need it in hope of making the world a better place rather than adding to the misery in the world....



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Its pretty easy to know why conservatives are raging and attempting suicide over the election results. Conservative media is 24/7 fear and paranoia at anything conservatives hate.

Turn on Fox News or free AM talk radio for a taste of it. Demonization of anybody and anything considered liberal is all that is fed to people who listen. No compromises are considered. When elections don't go the way conservative media wants it is literally the end of the world to them since there is no toleration in their ideology. At least now there isn't.

I don't know what the answer is when dealing with conservatives. I'm hoping their extreme, hateful, and belligerent attitude is marginalized by everybody who disagrees with them. Conservatives who behave this way I fear are too far gone to help. Most of my family are very conservative, but thankfully not suicidal. For my own sake in dealing with them I hope they don't get any worse than they are now.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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There has been years and years of programming on the citizens of this country. A blitzkrieg of ideology and memes all contrived for one purpose.
TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE IN INTEREST OF THE SUPER RICH CLASS!!!
All are affected by this propaganda but many are no more than cult members, programmed to believe anything they hear from their pundits.

It's a problem that has been dealt with throughout the history of mankind and the problem is worse in a democracy. If an extremely small amount of the population have the majority of wealth, how do they get the masses to let them keep their money and acquire more? How do the rich get the masses to vote in the rich peoples interest?

If you open your eyes to the big picture, everything political is very obvious. Shut yourself off from the media programming.

I really see where your coming from. Republicans are so comfortable and sure of an ideology of which they have no understanding. Steadfast in the belief that the programming they have received is truly their own ideas. Thought up all by themselves.

It's all really pitiful.
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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Well certainly quite a few things. I'm a libertarian most closely and I vote my conscience, which includes occasional Reps and (yes) Dems. 1 point I diverge with what would be considered the conservative point of view is: legalize drugs. Eliminates an enormous black market, saves money by reducing unnecessary law enforcement and prison populations (always a positive!), adds to the public coffers via excise taxes, and a concurrent reduction in crime eliminates a lot of young people from going the black market system.

Also, I am probably more of a fan of reducing the size of the military than most of the Dems, much less Reps. There's nothing in the Constitution stating we need to be the Arsenal of Democracy, the World Police, or anything else like that. I do believe in having a strong, indeed even prohibitively strong, defense ability but it's time that Europe and Japan defend themselves on their own, they are big boys and don't need Mommy US anymore. I doubt in today's world we can go totally Switzerland with no alliances and pure neutrality, but as close to that as is possible without being silly to our Canadian brothers for example. Unlike Ron Paul, I don't think we can realisitically disengage totally, and we do need to acknowledge that there are real threats

Another area where I think the standard conservatives would shout me down is eliminating the Fed, although a lot of the conservatives that I know are waking up to this bit of fraud. There's plenty on the illegality of the Fed elsewhere on ATS, along with the many ramifications of it's unsupervised activities.

These are just a few, if you're curious about anything else, let me know!

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posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Snoopy1978

Originally posted by Advantage
Heff... I wasnt joking when I said I just loved you and Beezer to death.. I see you both as very much the same.


LOL. Youve got to be kidding me.

Heff is a beacon of reason and humanity. Beezer is a far right, pro rich and pro war propaganda outlet.

No comparison at all.



So a persons political ideology is the only factors you use to actually enjoy or like someone?? WOW....



posted on Nov, 16 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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I know you weren't demonizing, but you did quite rightly bring up the polarization, something which is getting more strident and more full of vitriol by the day. Thus the unsettling incident within your own family, hope he's getting better, both physically and mentally. Hope the rest of you and yours are doing well too.

The main point of my reply, and as I reread it I could have been clearer, is that conservatives are not the poor-hating ogres of nastiness that those left of me on the economic ideology scale tend to portray us as. What most of us differ on with our liberal brothers and sisters is tactical matters, not strategic ones. Several posts just before this one by fripw and Frith are insisting that as a conservative, I'm essentially pure evil (I'm paraphrasing but not inaccurately so). I'm not saying there are not over the top conservatives as well either but I am only using examples I could find in this thread. The longer the debate is not a debate and just a lot of nasty name-calling, the worse off for everybody. If even one person out there unscrews their head from the 'My Team vs. Your Team, Winner Take All and **** you and yours!' sports fan mentality that pervades the modern political discussion forum these days, it was worth the time it took. 8>D
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posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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Hi. I believe you are wrong about what is causing this division in the country. As for what you say your beliefs are as a liberal they are also the beliefs of a conservative, at least this conservative. So that is not the issue, at least the real issue.

I have friends. One a rabid Obama supporter, one who was and is now more of a libertarian, and then there is me. All three of us are 60 or older. What is funny, not ha ha, is that all three of us believe the country has ALREADY been destroyed. The best all three of us hope for is to find a place to hide out from what is coming until we die of old age.

The primary reason for this is simple and forget the politics. What we have seen is a destruction of the law. This nation is supposed to be a country of laws. If laws are ignored or not enforced then chaos will result. My friend who supports Obama hopes he will find a way to change this country, I personally from my knowledge of Chicago politics believe Obama will accelerate the problem, and my newly libertarian friend believes that there is nothing that can change the problem.

Rather then using my usual style of giving examples I will give you my friend who supports Obama's quick explanation. Everyone who can be bought has been bought. Police, prosecutors, judges, local politicians, state politicians, and national politicians. This includes the bureaucrats that actually control the government. There is to much immunity given out willie nillie to people. No one is held accountable for their actions. Maybe it goes back to the computer when it first came out. "The computer says this and the computer is never wrong." No more common sense.

I have nothing against Obama except to me he is a crook and blackmailable simply because he comes from the Chicago machine. However what I am against is his followers. To me what I see is they have no real concern for the law, are willing to take what they want at the point of a gun, and seem to me to have a mob mentality. Some local Obama supporters have threatened to kill me and my family. When they came to intimidate me at the coffee house my libertarian friend was with me. He is frightened to go back. These were white Liberals.

My point I guess is that with the failure of law in this country it has turned the US into a mob. Our presidents including Obama are international war criminals for the drone attacks. Funny how everyone wanted to put Bush on trial but Obama they give a peace prize to. There is no standards anymore that are equally applied and the people see this and say why should I follow the law if no one else does and those ON MY SIDE ARE NEVER PROSECUTED. Those on the other side see this and know at least subconciously that their lives and the lives of their family's are in danger. Plus many people can not handle instability and the one thing this country now has is instability.

Sorry to have gone on but I hope I gave you a good explanation. If you want to really change things for the better then I give you the first rule of the Navy 6 step troubleshooting method. First be aware of what the real problem is.





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