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So-called "particle" accelerators.

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 01:06 PM

the thread got doubled. Basically, what happens when you treat someone in a vehicle as a particle and speed them up? Using a bobsled as an analogy works.

Obviously, the track would have to be perfectly flat to avoid g-forces... some people seem to think you'd be baked alive.


The track doesn't have air in it, i.e. no air resistance.

Heck, if the track was in an anti-gravity field (which it probably is,) then you don't even have to worry about that.
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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 01:48 PM
A OP would be nice

posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 01:53 PM
reply to post by scrog77

the thread, for some reason, got doubled.

How strange.

posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:29 PM
reply to post by SymbolicLogic

If you're talking FTL, and a person, the person would actually become radioactive. It's the whole mass traveling (or being pushed more accurately) faster than the waveform. Not sure if we have many nuclear physicists here on ATS but this is what happens at a point during those famous explosions, in a positive or negative fashion at least.

Within a field though..maybe. Hyper-compressing, definitely.Hypercompressing a wave to infinite frequency renders resolution of frequency impossible. Therefore, infinite frequency measures the same as zero frequency. Since energy is a function of wave frequency, we find that infinite energy is identical to no energy at all. The atomic bomb hyper-decompresses matter waves to yield infinite energy; thus does zero energy equal infinite energy...

Blah blah, I hate talking the jargon. I'm just a mechanics-type guy, besides. We had to discuss this puzzling crap at work sometimes. Anyways, it's possible to "travel" the particle at such speeds, but really you're just changing the outer area around it. Would a field do this? Perhaps..And yeah, there are a couple ways to do this I can think of but it requires so much energy.

posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:33 PM
Hmm, I don't mind technical. In fact, I prefer it. So by all means, seeing as you're the only person to somewhat explain their view, by all means, continue.

Would I be crazy in saying that this might lead to breakthroughs in time travel in relative terms? Or do I have a fundamental misunderstanding?


And would that radiation be necessarily be harmful radiation? Because... not all radiation kills you, right?
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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Yeah, without some form of protection, hurtling oneself at those speeds would kill you. That's why the ideas of quantum are being so very, very thoroughly investigated.

Here's an excerpt from a discussion I had about a year ago relating to work done on this:

One last comment on this. It's really not so much a reaction (in the phenom sense) so much as just an effect of something that's entirely controlled. Even involves ideas involving the ever-so-controversial toroidal shapes in debate here in the ATS forums.

I'll just say this: A leaf falls from a tree. On it's way down, it not only spins (important), bit also follows a looping, or circular, motion on it's way down to the ground. Okay, so what, right?

Now imagine a boat and an airplane. The airplane, on takeoff, creates a vortex right? Now think about that boat, while cutting through the water leaves a wake (the waves behind it).

Next, think about a hula hoop, that you throw forward except add a directional spin so that when the hula hoop is thrown forward and touches down with the ground, then rolls back toward you you again. (I hope this is understood, I can't really think of another way to explain this motion without scientific terminology)

Finally, imagine all of these things happening together: the primary motion of the falling leaf, the plane's vortex from it's engines, the wake behind the boat, and the spin of the hula hoop that thrown forward still spins/rolls back to you... what do you get?

In the end, the whole idea was to have this ship that creates a field around it while creating forces behind, as well as in front of it though it still moves forward. Control the direction of said forces created. It's like when a person tightens their hood on their head by pulling on the strings, except the "string" is your ship.

In the end it bows space around you. Like a pic of a bullet going in a straight line (in true, it's curved) under a curved (concave) area of space, and on top of curved (convex) area of space too... That's a 2d look at it.

This shape shortens a length of space in the center, as opposed to just traveling through a cylinder "tube" shape. It also creates suction, and push from opposite ends. Like travelling instantly, while appearing to remain still, but in reality moving forward at an incredible rate. All without adverse effects on you or your ship whatsoever.

You can see this if you take a square piece of fabric, and pinch with your fingers the curve of a "U" and upside down "U" with a space in between the top fabric pinched, and the bottom one.

Man, I have no idea how else to explain this. Hard to create this visual.without a drawing. May sound complex, but the shape isn't at all.

Another image could be two triangles. Place a triangle with one tip onto a mirror. Looking at the two shapes together. Your "ship" would be there in the middle of where the two triangle touch each other.

You're never "squished" because of physics in space that do not allow both parts to touch. The size that said "wormhole" needs to be to allow travel through is unknown, and up for debate.

And, before someone jokes about this, this is not a "star gate." There's no hole or wormhole already existing here. It's created each time as something new, in this instance.


Anyone reading this is welcome to say, "BS." It is, and will remain to be, I suppose until we know more. This is how it's tested as soon as the $$$ is available. I know the forumla, and how it's supposed to work, but until it's tested, who knows if it works. One guy didn't think it should be because a "black hole" would open up. That's why it's to be done on a veeeery small scale. Because, unlike popular theory, tiny holes will actually close without continually being "fed/created." They will not "eat" something small, and grow and grow and grow,. eating atoms and matter and light. That's a crazy belief, and that's even if such a thing could be possible to create in this way (doubt it).

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