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Originally posted by jtma508
WTF people??? Look at what tax rates were in the pre-Bush years? This isn't tax armegeddon. Up to 39%. That's just over HALF what it was back in the 60's. The economy was booming during the Clinton years... the upper tax rate was 39.6%. Under Regan it started out at 70%. He lowered that percentage year by year from 70% => 50% => 38.5% => 28%. But he also lowered the floor of the top tier thereby pushoing the top tax bracket into the middle class $212K => $106K => $90k => $29,750. And then we had a recession.
Bush lowered the top tier from 39.6% to 35%. Where did THAT get us? A super recession. And during that time although the economy imploded, the top 1% accreted more wealth than at any other time in history. So much for lower top tier tax rates creating jobs.
Net Job gain/loss:
2001: -3.1M
2002: -432K
2003: +18K
2004: +2.1M
2005: +2.1M
2006: +1.7M
2007: +744K
2008: -3.6M
2009: -5.5M
2010: +1.3M
2011: +1.9M
So with the all-so-important Bush tax cuts helping businesses hire we only LOST 3.6M jobs.
Research it yourselves. Try and correlate top-tier tax rates with job creation and economic expansion. I dare you.
Originally posted by Kituwa
reply to post by beezzer
How long must you keep that avatar?
Originally posted by Kituwa
reply to post by beezzer
That would be today then, right?
As you see, the blame is being put on the recession. It's hard for me to believe that it will be ending anytime soon. It doesn't look like businesses are going to begin springing up in our current situation.
The rate of new startups is down over the past three years because of the recession.
From 2007 to 2010, employer establishment births dropped 12 percent from 844,000 to 742,000 (Source: BLS, BED). Of the total number of firm births, about 85 percent are new employer firms, or startups, that are small businesses while the remaining 15 percent tend to be new locations for existing businesses that expand their operations.
The recent recession hit startups of new employer firms particularly hard.
In the second quarter of 2008, the establishment startup rate (the percent of all firm establishments in a given quarter that did not exist in the previous quarter) fell below 3 percent for the first time since figures were recorded in the early 1990s, and has remained below 3 percent since. The latest startup rate for which data is available is 2.7 percent in the second quarter of 2011 (Source: BLS, BED).
Startups now accounting for fewer jobs than in the past.
While the number of establishment births by mid-2011 is at a similar level to the first quarter of 1999 (when employment from startups peaked), employment at startups in the current data is only about 45 percent of that peak figure (Source: BLS, BED). This means that the startups being created now are smaller on average than they were in 1999. This results in fewer new jobs being created by startups.
How does the startup rate affect the total number of employer firms?
The total number of employer firms delined significantly during the recent recession. However, as establishment deaths have been in steady decline since the fourth quarter of 2008, much of the decline in the total number of employer firms can be traced to the relatively low startup rate.
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
Sell away. Enough selling will create a vacuum of needed services and products which the new companies can produce. Just because a rich person sells their business does not negate the demand needed in the marketplace for that product or service. And if they are selling, someone else is buying. While jobs may be shaky, in such types of selling and buying of business, it will eventually level out and create a huge boom of growth.
Originally posted by LiveEquation
reply to post by davcwebb
It only shows how greedy the wealthy are, all they care about is their wealth. Their employees are just a means to that wealth
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by davcwebb
Blame the rich because they (the rich) don't want to just hand over all their assets to the government for wealth distribution.
*shakes fist at the rich*
Originally posted by micmerci
Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by micmerci
...And they all said 'just tax the wealthy more, that'll fix the problem'. They wont sell off assets. They won't slow the economy. They won't hand out massive layoffs and take their businesses elsewhere. This will work trust me.
Yeah right
Oh, and BTW, blaming Obama for this is so asinine it's unreal! You do realize that Romney would have to face EXACTLY the same problem as president too, right? That was one reason I actually wanted Romney to win, because he would have enraged so many rabid Republicans with the actions he would have HAD TO TAKE regardless of the corporate idiocy of his party.
Ummm...I checked and double checked my post and for the life of me I could not see any mention of OBAMA in it.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am personally aware of four businesses that have laid off employees since the election. Additionally, my partner and I have converted all of our employees to 1099 independent contractors. Only 2 did not want to make the change, so they now can go collect their unemployment for however long that lasts
Independent Contractor (Self-Employed) or Employee?
Common Law Rules
Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:
1) Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?
2) Financial: Are the business aspects of the worker’s job controlled by the payer? (these include things like how worker is paid, whether expenses are reimbursed, who provides tools/supplies, etc.)
3) Type of Relationship: Are there written contracts or employee type benefits (i.e. pension plan, insurance, vacation pay, etc.)? Will the relationship continue and is the work performed a key aspect of the business?
Workmans Comp Scams
Stolen premiums
Dishonest business owners will illegally reduce the workers comp premiums they owe.
Premium swindles can be hard to discover. Businesses often hide their premium scams behind dummy companies, fake accounting, tax records and other coverups.
These cons often are complex and well-hidden. They can take much time, effort and financial expertise to discover, and convict in court.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
By all means, PLEASE LEAVE, and prove that the rich are foolish as well.
To give up the open market is to leave the market to competitors. Capitalists are as expendable as any other corporate entity in USA.
You leave, another will take your place, and reap whatever you had foolishly or ineptly left behind. The world stops for no one.
And as you had been selfish in not paying your taxes and paying right to americans - GET THE HELL OUT!!!
And leave the new market opportunities for genuine americans to share wealth together, on american soil, with tax incentives, funding, innovation and international partnerships/protection.
FINALLY, the exploitive rich are leaving...never thought I would be alive to see this day.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I am personally aware of four businesses that have laid off employees since the election. Additionally, my partner and I have converted all of our employees to 1099 independent contractors. Only 2 did not want to make the change, so they now can go collect their unemployment for however long that lasts. Beyond that, I know one business that has already closed, the owner decided to just retire and shut his doors after selling all of the fixtures and inventory. That is another 60 people on the dole now. I also know of another business that is for sale with the owner very motivated to sell before December 31st. Good work electing the socialist people. I am willing to bet that these scenes are repeating in most communities all over the country.