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I find this sick and dont like where it is heading (ohio woman/idiot sign)

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...




In recent times, judicial use of public humiliation punishment has largely fallen out of favor since the practice is now considered cruel and unusual punishment, which is outlawed in the United States Constitution.





This involved a variety of methods, most often placing a criminal in the center of town and having the local populace enact a form of "mob justice" on the individual. The punishment of public humiliation could be, amongst other things, an offender being forced to relate his crime, such as by exaggerated physical parody: a 'shame flute' for a bad musician or a wearing giant rosary (Dutch: schandstenen, "stones of shame") for someone late to church. The offender could alternatively be sentenced to remain exposed in a specific public place, in a restraining device.


but no go on tell me how this is not public humiliation (which was considered cruel and unusual)?




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by badgerprints
How about a charge of reckless endangerment and endangering a child for every child getting off of the bus. Full penalties and jail time for each offense. That would have been appropriate.
She got off light.



thats exactly what she should have got



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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but no go on tell me how this is not public humiliation (which was considered cruel and unusual)?


Oh, it's humiliating. And it's meant to be.

But I wouldn't recommend wikipedia to be used in lieu of more authoritative sources but that entry seems to be involved with something called "evolving standards of decency". Maybe you can find a precedent for public humiliation being declared unconstitutional, but I doubt it.

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
forcing someone to do community service is a way of giving back to the community and the tax payers and is not public humiliation.

forcing someone to stand around in public wearing a sign that says idiot is blatantly meant to be humiliating

what dont ya'll get about that?


I am surprised "Ya'll""don't" see that cleaning public restrooms and picking up garbage and such is humiliating also, besides being work, which prisoners are not allowed to be forced to work, especially in your own town where everyone knows you.

You didn't answer my question by Phage did so guess it is not against the constitution.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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I wish it would be longer . She's an idiot .. When i see a school bus up ahead . it's my duty to obey it when that stop sign comes .. Children can come running off that bus or to it anytime . For her to to just ignore .. is b.s

Should have been 30 days sitting out there .



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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I think she should have to do this for 8 hours a day, for a month. Sometimes humiliation is the best way to correct a problem.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Well seeing as public humiliation can leave psychological trauma in its wake it is considered cruel and unusual.

I mean its not like the stocks hurt anyone besides their pride

Im sure some of the drunks even had a good ol laugh about it.



Im sure some of those that were forced to tell people in town square about what they did found it amusing as well.

wikipedia is a more reliable source of information than 90% of what is used on this site so I dont get you point here



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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i dont know if anyone has mentioned it yet but punishments like these are almost always given as an option along with a conventional punishment and as far as i know this is considered to be in accordance with the constitution because it requires the consent of the individual

she likely found the conventional punishment less desirable and opted for the sign



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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I find it sick that a moron would drive on the sidewalk to avoid a bus unloading kids

idiot is lucky she didn't get dragged outta that car and beaten like a mule



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Well seeing as public humiliation can leave psychological trauma in its wake it is considered cruel and unusual.

Trauma. Right. By carrying a sign that says she's a fool who repeatedly did something really stupid?
Please cite a legal (not personal) opinion on such punishment being cruel and unusual.


I mean its not like the stocks hurt anyone besides their pride
Well you're wrong about that, the stocks (and pillory) were actually quite painful. She isn't restrained. She isn't being pelted.



wikipedia is a more reliable source of information than 90% of what is used on this site so I dont get you point here
Wikipedia can be useful for finding sources, however in this case no source is provided for the claim made in the article. Humiliation is has not been judged to be cruel and unusual.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Oh, this is ridiculous!! Get a grip...I suppose every person who has been listed in their local paper after committing a a crime, during the sentencing and the sentencing itself could consider it cruel and unusual punishment to right? Your argument is moot...the people have spoken and YOU are in the minority...yes, YOU have your opinion, but OTHERS HAVE THEIRS AS WELL...and so far they outnumber you...




The courts have also ruled that if a sentence is inhuman, outrageous, or shocking to the social conscience, it is a cruel and unusual punishment under the 8th Amendment. Such things as burning at the stake, castration, crucifixion, breaking on the wheel, cutting off body parts and so on, fall into this category.

[url=http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/8th-amendment.html]

See above..."shocking to the SOCIAL conscience" ...it seems by most posts here, there are very few who are shocked by this punishment...now, go brush up on EXACTLY what the amendment is all about




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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If I was the judge, I would have her sleep in her car for a few days. She lost all her rights when she took it upon herself to possibly endanger children. Even though there were no children on the sidewalk, she blatantly broke the law driving on the sidewalk. Repeat offenders don't learn their lessons because they think they're above the law.

I have no pity on this women.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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IDIOT is easier to fit on a sign than "I lack remorse when I drive my car and put pedestrians and innocent bystanders in danger because I am in a rush"

Don't forget you were the one to qualify this punishment as "humiliation" because it was seen by millions of people. Where is that the fault of the judge? Did the judge premeditate that someone would record this and post it on the internet for it to go "viral"?

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Uhhh. if you saw the video you would be feeling that the punishment wasn't enough. The chick was despicable in her behavior, The judge gave her that punishment because everyone who saw the video were shocked by her callous and ruthless driving behavior.

I mean who the hell drives on a sidewalk for 50 feet cause they are too inconvenienced to wait two minutes while kids unload from a school bus. It also wasn't like she was driving on the sidewalk cautiously. SHe treated it like she was going for the passing lane in a NASCAR Race,.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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I am really not understanding why OP is failing to see the consequence was lenient and just. What if she ran over a little child? She only has to stand outside for 2 days ( including today) holding a sign for one hour. Today she was standing there smoking, talking on her cell phone and covered to hide her identity. It is a very lenient "punishment" and i think the minor humiliation will make her rethink her ignorant behavior.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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There's a whole lot of "possibly" and "could have killed someone" going around in this thread. She didn't actually hurt anyone. At worst she should have to pay a fine, not be paraded around like something out of the Middle Ages. Does "The Scarlet Letter" ring any bells with you people?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Normally, I would agree but if you see the way she guns it on the sidewalk it kind of makes it a little less "might" hit someone to a "when". If someone came walking around the corner of the building there would be no warning of a possible collision. As someone who walks everywhere there is not a single week where I don't have several close calls in a crosswalk.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
=( fox
"She did this almost every day last year," Kelley said.


Yes it was stupid but to do this to an individual just because they did something stupid is wrong

doing something stupid everyday does deserve this. At that point its a habit where she feels there is nothing wrong. More of this type of punishment would be cheaper and more affective than a jail term.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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They call them judges for a reason, if they told the woman to stand on her head naked with the words on her ass, maybe? This is tame and quite reasonable.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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When a restaurant is found to have pest infestations, it is closed by health and safety and a poster is displayed on the front of the building stating exactly what happened. This is public pillory.
Is this humiliating for the owners? Of course it is. It's not cruel and unusual, though.






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